The Ongoing Restoration of Spiritual Gifts

Part I

00;00;02;13 – 00;00;22;19
Cameron
Hi everyone. I am so excited to be on this new adventure. A few weeks ago, Megan Farner and I had a conversation about the spiritual gift of dreams and interpretation. And since that episode, I have received so many fun messages from you all, thanking me for being open to talking about it because we culturally keep our gifts to ourselves.

00;00;23;03 – 00;00;45;24
Cameron
But for those seeking and being led by the Lord, I find that it’s just necessary. I want to talk with somebody. I want to vent out my frustrations or issues as I navigate them or to brainstorm what I’m learning. Gospel learning can be so isolating sometimes because we are working on different timetables and tangents, and some people look at us with glossed over eyes.

00;00;46;29 – 00;01;09;08
Cameron
So with that said, thanks for being willing to listen as we simply have open and honest discussions about our experiences with these gifts. Please keep an open mind and discern for yourself what applies and what doesn’t. Everyone’s experience will be 100% unique, and some of the nuances may not jive with your current paradigm or what the Lord is teaching you specifically.

00;01;09;08 – 00;01;31;18
Cameron
That’s that’s okay. And to be expected if you have differing points of view about this or any of the other gifts we talked about, I’d love to have a conversation with you either in private or openly on this podcast if you haven’t already. Go check out my survey about spiritual gifts and let me know if you’re interested in having a conversation at learning as I Incom slash gifts.

00;01;33;12 – 00;01;59;23
Cameron
Hey everyone. So we are here with Wendy and so excited to talk about some spiritual gifts. She’s graciously volunteered to to be a guinea pig as we start this new journey. I got to know Wendy through some of our learnings in book clubs and some mutual friends, and it’s just been such a fun journey kind of learning together and has seen everybody’s different perspective.

00;01;59;23 – 00;02;35;16
Cameron
On the gospel and learning and spiritual gifts, what we’re here for today. So Wendy is a mother, a science teacher, comes from a kind of a science background, which is great when it comes to these spiritual gifts of healing and being healed. And like, like all of us, we’re just kind of nobodies, right? Where we’re just figuring that stuff out and, and learning how it all works, how to hear him and, and apply these to the gifts and blessings of the ongoing restoration.

00;02;35;16 – 00;02;40;27
Cameron
So thank you, Wendy, for for hopping on here and being willing to, to discuss and help others.

00;02;41;21 – 00;02;49;04
Wendy
Yes, you’re welcome. I asked him to say that I am a nobody.

00;02;49;04 – 00;02;49;08
Cameron
You.

00;02;49;16 – 00;02;49;26
Wendy
Know.

00;02;51;07 – 00;03;17;05
Cameron
But yeah. So like I said, we’re going to be talking about the gift of being healed and the gift of healing. If they go in tandem and, you know, much like the many spiritual gifts, they kind of have companions, some of them have prerequisites. And so just kind of starting out. Let’s talk about where you first noticed that this was your gift.

00;03;17;05 – 00;03;26;05
Cameron
Were you born with it? Was it something that you developed over time or just what was that process like for you growing in this specific one?

00;03;27;21 – 00;03;54;10
Wendy
Well, it it was not something that I thought I had because I was so riddled with health conditions. I thought there there was no way that that I had any control at all in that arena. So it wasn’t until a good friend, a neighbor, actually came over and said, you know, I just want to zone zoning because she’s a donor.

00;03;54;24 – 00;04;26;21
Wendy
And so I said, okay, you know, like never tried anything like that before. And then it just got me on on a path of empowerment, I guess, and then kind of knowing that the Lord had other ways to bless us versus just a medical route, you know, the traditional modern medicine. But anyway, that that’s specifically about the healing part of it, if that helps it all.

00;04;26;21 – 00;04;53;28
Wendy
But I kind of knew and I knew I had other gifts, gifts of the spirit, like I I’ve always known that that Jesus is the Christ like even for as a young child, I just knew. And, and so that was like my lifeline because I I’ve been through a lot on this earth, things that experiences with with the dark.

00;04;55;07 – 00;05;20;16
Wendy
Because I think when you’re born with, with spiritual gifts, it kind of leaves in a sense, you’re open that, that, that channel or whatever is open and then you don’t understand it very well, like the adversary tries to. You know, take you down or whatever in it. So, but, but even as I look back, I wouldn’t change anything just because I have the knowledge that I’ve gained through it.

00;05;21;03 – 00;05;46;19
Wendy
So the Lord’s consecrated all things so that now I, I have more power and more knowledge because of those things. So there’s like you said, there’s so many gifts that are kind of interwoven. And the gift of knowledge is, is one of the discerning of of spirits is one that that I have had. And that’s very needed, I believe, at least for me.

00;05;46;19 – 00;05;49;09
Wendy
And how how it works. How the Lord works in me.

00;05;49;24 – 00;06;40;29
Cameron
Mm hmm. So I’m very much the same way where, you know, we’ve had so many countless lessons in Sunday school or even growing up as a youth where. Okay, everyone, here’s the list of spiritual gifts and you’re probably born with one and you might have opportunities to to grow some more. But I’ve realized that I was I was born with lots of spiritual gifts, and it’s just about navigating those and having experiences and growing into them and that I think often we do ourselves a disservice by placing unbelief on year after year of, oh, I don’t have any spiritual gifts, but realizing and kind of throwing those off going, know, I am a child of

00;06;40;29 – 00;07;02;10
Cameron
God and he has sent me here with a spiritual gifts so that we can navigate this and bless others. And it’s just been such a fun journey, just really kind of talking and opening up somewhat. I don’t know why, but somewhat of a taboo topic within the church on on these gifts. And and so.

00;07;02;11 – 00;07;04;12
Wendy
All right, let’s blow it open. Yeah.

00;07;05;02 – 00;07;47;16
Cameron
Exactly. And especially lately, I, I, I crack open that this is the first one that we’re doing the gift of healing, because it’s such a forefront of lots of people’s minds with different modalities and different horror stories and bad experiences. And really, like, I don’t know, it’s kind of an interesting spiritual gift to be having, but have you found in your journey, and especially in the last few years, where it is such a hot topic and a buzz word and stuff that you have a certain line that the Lord doesn’t want you to cross when you’re sharing this gift with others.

00;07;47;25 – 00;08;28;12
Cameron
Because I certainly feel that as I’ve been here in their somewhat dabbling in healing and being healed, that it’s just not something you really can talk about. And the Lord really stops a lot of times in certain ways, but yet He never tells me to stop healing people, you know, giving blessings and pronounce in very prominent and I don’t know it like it’s always shocking what what comes out of my mouth in blessings as I’m healing others and but yet sometimes you just can’t talk about it with others.

00;08;28;12 – 00;08;31;28
Cameron
It’s a kind of a taboo topic. Have you found that in your journey at all?

00;08;32;23 – 00;09;13;23
Wendy
Yes, but it’s something after 13 years learning kind of to read the situation of the person and especially following the spirit. That’s that’s got to be by revelation. And then I kind of don’t worry about it anymore because I know that it’s if you want me to open my mouth, I do it like if I was teaching or at least saying lesson today and at work conference at the State residency their release obviously for the end it just came out of my mouth and I’m like, I’ve never shared that in our society a lesson like but he told me to and and people were like, that was, that was great.

00;09;13;23 – 00;09;35;26
Wendy
I’m like, Well, I’m glad that I mean, I know I was supposed to share something, but sometimes I’m like, I wonder how they’re, how they’re doing, you know? And then I pray for them after. But, but, yeah, there’s, there’s some taboo around around it. And I remember even struggling many times, going back and forth, like stopping and starting again and kind of reassessing him as a father.

00;09;35;26 – 00;09;52;15
Wendy
Do you want me to do this way or this way sometime? Like, I don’t want to see I don’t want to see all the dark because I have this gift for seeing the dark and the curses that that can be there. And I’m like, Can I, can I just see the light? I want to see the light that people can receive.

00;09;53;04 – 00;10;05;08
Wendy
And, you know, that worked. Okay. So I really it’s like it’s like it comes together as a package deal. Yeah. Because, because when, when you come into Christ, you, you just see.

00;10;05;08 – 00;10;05;18
Cameron
Yeah.

00;10;05;28 – 00;10;29;17
Wendy
You see or you don’t see your heart’s open or it’s not open, you can’t sit there and choose because anyway, but even as, as you see the dark, he hands the light because it’s truth and it’s he’s right there. He’s right there. So I’ve learned to just because I have a lot of PTSD about the dark but that that I am okay he’s there.

00;10;29;21 – 00;10;32;05
Wendy
And so anyway, what was the question.

00;10;33;08 – 00;10;46;20
Cameron
Well yeah, I think you’ve answered it perfectly there of like what line, you know, how to discern when you can share the gift openly versus just using it in people’s benefits. And anyway. Yeah.

00;10;46;29 – 00;10;49;28
Wendy
Yeah. By revelation. That’s got to be a revelation.

00;10;50;12 – 00;11;15;00
Cameron
Yeah. So how would you help advise people that are wanting to that, that feel compelled to develop this gift and yearning to seek it? How would you point them in the right direction to use their gift of discernment, knowledge and scriptures to help navigate their their course? Because, like we know, every good thing has a counterfeit from Satan.

00;11;15;00 – 00;11;37;29
Cameron
And he’s going to be in there constantly trying to to throw you off. And we know that from all scripture stories that that is for our own benefit, right? So that we can discern, learn good from evil and and that we can’t just learn light unless we have some, some bad and.

00;11;39;14 – 00;12;01;12
Wendy
Dark along with it. That’s the thing is. So we can’t be afraid of making mistakes. The fear is counteracts the faith, right? So we’re here on the earth to make mistakes and we will know we need to trust that the Lord it’ll work. Our desires are good. We need to know that Lawrence will help us know when we get off track, because we probably will.

00;12;02;06 – 00;12;26;06
Wendy
I mean, but that’s not like it’s some irreversible damage. It’s like when your heart’s in the right place, especially when you’re working on yourself and your family first. And that’s where I feel like a lot of if you have stewardship, then you are called to the world. The Lord has called you to a work and you have every right to ask for the revelation concerning that work.

00;12;27;23 – 00;12;57;25
Wendy
And so go for it. Like what can go wrong? Like it’s okay, whatever happens you will learn through it and the Lord will, Lord, Lord, Lord will have your back. So open your heart. That’s the biggest thing. The work has to go through the heart because the heart is is really this the central place where where he does that work that we have to pass?

00;12;57;27 – 00;13;09;18
Wendy
The devil’s going in the hearts of the spirit, a statement. But the scriptures say that that’s where God does, too. So it’s it’s important. So yeah.

00;13;11;00 – 00;13;38;10
Cameron
Yeah. I love that. I think that that was the biggest wake up to me a couple of years ago when I just started really seeking my own spiritual gifts and trying to figure out what my mission here on Earth was, was that it’s it’s kind of a a minefield of light versus dark right there at the beginning. And sometimes it can kind of, I don’t know, be not scary.

00;13;38;10 – 00;14;00;13
Cameron
But like you said, when fear enters in, like the adversary really loves to play on that. And so always staying rooted in the scriptures and, you know, like all of the the Sunday school basics, right, that they tell us to do and be praying, study the scriptures, keep rooted in truth and the Lord will lead every step of the way.

00;14;00;21 – 00;14;32;13
Cameron
And even though some things are going to be hard, but like that’s what really keeps me me rooted when I, I’ve had a few different friends kind of fall into some deceptions here and there and leave the church or go often on different tangents, right? And whenever I’ve asked them some key questions like where can you back it up in scriptures or where it what are you feeling when you, you do certain things?

00;14;32;27 – 00;15;08;19
Cameron
I realized that those Sunday school answers are absent in most of the cases. And so that is my biggest advice to anyone is if you’re not doing those things currently that you’ve got to get that solidified first before you can even dove into two spiritual gifts. It’s we have to stay grounded, you know, that that has lots of different connotations but grounded in the scriptures and really focus on hearing him as President Nelson has talked about, like connecting to the to the true source and not being deceived in that way.

00;15;10;07 – 00;15;28;18
Wendy
That’s really good. That’s really good. Cameron It reminds me of Elder Redman’s talk about revelation like, make sure it’s on your on the runway, you know? Yeah, it’s it’s got to be backed up by scripture and by the words of the prophet. And that’s the foundation of Christ that we we must have at the foundation of the temple.

00;15;28;18 – 00;15;42;18
Wendy
All things that he shows us is going to go back to it. And I am amazed it’s all over in Scripture and all over in the temple. It’s being taught. It’s just that. Are we seeing it yet at that level?

00;15;42;23 – 00;16;04;18
Cameron
Exactly. Because I don’t know. Have you ever experienced that? I know I certainly have. Where I receive like a new tool or technique or whatever in any of the spiritual gifts, not just this one, but I go, Huh, that’s really strange. But now that my eyes are open to it, I go back to Scripture and find that it’s always there.

00;16;04;18 – 00;16;27;05
Cameron
The prophets, the modern prophets are we talking about it and everything. But if I, if I were to ask my myself a year ago about this, I would be like, No, the prophets don’t talk about it. I’m not going. I’m not touching that. But then when you actually are approaching it with a faith filled intent, then I realize it’s been there all along.

00;16;27;05 – 00;16;37;17
Cameron
I just didn’t notice it before. And so I, I don’t know if you’ve experienced that, but I, every time I go back to Scripture and. Mike Oh is there all along. Whoops.

00;16;37;29 – 00;16;54;17
Wendy
Yes. It keeps you humble, doesn’t it? And it’s so exciting. It’s so exciting to see the scriptures in a new way, especially when you find a key of the Lord gives you like a big one of the key to unlock certain things. You’re like, like, here’s a big one. Like for healing. I want to dove right in.

00;16;54;27 – 00;16;55;23
Cameron
Let’s do it. I love it.

00;16;56;03 – 00;17;20;08
Wendy
Okay, so understanding the fall is so important to understanding the atonement, and the fall brings all the pride and all of that. It’s like, Oh, I’ve got this all figured out. Well, this is how the medical world works is the healing world. We go to do this with the medical. You know, the doctors will tell me what to do.

00;17;20;15 – 00;17;51;16
Wendy
I take my pills to to push down all of the the things my body is telling me. What’s going on. Like, that’s that’s truth, right? That’s the truth of our paradigm that we currently live in. But the truth of it is, is that because the fall, I mean, there’s so much they’re like by two and nine, the keeping the focus on the doctrine at a deeper and deeper level and deeper and deeper in the temple helps you see that it’s your responsibility.

00;17;51;16 – 00;18;18;10
Wendy
Once you take back that responsibility, that it’s this is my life that I am creating with the Lord. It’s just the help that I I’m creating with the Lord or without the Lord in a lot of instances. So how do you how do we take back that responsibility? Because it says in scripture and I’m going to it’s so I have it on my phone here.

00;18;18;10 – 00;18;44;29
Wendy
So I pull it up and suck at me if I want to. 27 Wherefore men are free according to the flesh, it comes right out of flesh, right where this flesh is corrupted, it’s corruptible, but it’s also matter is supposed to be worked upon. Are we. Are we agents of action? Are we going to be acted upon? And a lot of times we’re like, Oh, I’m just being act upon.

00;18;45;13 – 00;19;10;05
Wendy
There’s nothing I can do about it. No, because men are free according to the flesh and all things are given them which are expedient unto man, and they are free to choose liberty and eternal life through the great mediator of all men. And so I’m going to dove into the doctrine of the fall, but understand that it helps me to understand that the atonement of Jesus Christ is here for for my flesh.

00;19;10;16 – 00;19;35;01
Wendy
I’m supposed to come into that way. We talk about coming into his presence on this spiritual level, but it must be on that physical level as well. I’m talking about people in different communities that are a Facebook that we’re a part of. So taking responsibility is huge. And knowing that I what am I in this moment if I’m feeling out of control, I’m having a lot of pain.

00;19;35;16 – 00;20;02;27
Wendy
Like there’s nothing I can do about it. Except you can, because you can choose to bring Christ into that moment and you can choose to to see the good that’s coming from it, to be grateful for whatever your body is saying and say. Okay, help me to listen, because my body is a gift and it was given to me so that I in a way, it’s a liana in a lot of ways to help us turn back to the Lord.

00;20;02;27 – 00;20;36;09
Wendy
And so there’s things that are that are communicated through our bodies that a lot of times we don’t want to listen to, unfortunately, are our ancestors. We don’t have bodies. And there are things that need to happen in temples of the Lord. And we have those temples and and you know what I mean? So it’s like we need to wake up and take responsibility and be an active participant in your help and not just turn it over to some body else and say, okay, you be my queen.

00;20;37;18 – 00;20;45;06
Wendy
I need we need a king, we need a king. Tell us what to do. Tell us what to take. You know, sue you if this goes wrong. No, no. You know what I mean?

00;20;45;08 – 00;20;47;23
Cameron
It’s just how crazy way that we think, isn’t it?

00;20;47;24 – 00;21;30;20
Wendy
Is so out of the box like we’re not are our paradigm is completely backward from where the Lord wants us to be on health and health care, because repentance is repentance is healing. It is the way to the Lord. And through repentance we can he will turn our flesh to to a glorified state where we we can change or we can repent and over a line upon line, we become a person that can stand in the presence of God.

00;21;31;06 – 00;21;55;20
Wendy
I’m not there yet, but I do. I do know Him and he loves us where we’re at and it’s okay. Like we are safe in his care. He’s the perfect physician. He just wants to show us revelation about about what’s what’s going on, you know, and and to and to take care of things in a way that’s not overwhelming.

00;21;55;20 – 00;22;17;13
Wendy
And it’s so sweet. It’s so sweet when we hear the word because the word is is the power of God to do all those things. And it’s not. The modalities are great, but if it’s not centered in and if it doesn’t go through the Lord, it doesn’t have any staying power, you know what I mean? It’s there’s got to be a change.

00;22;17;13 – 00;22;40;20
Wendy
So anyway, I get passionate about it. I love I love zoning, I love energy work, you know, putting my lord tells me to put my hands on people. Sometimes, you know, ministering sister had a liver condition and we were talking and I just knew that I need to put my hands there. I didn’t know what to do, but I just listen to the spirit.

00;22;40;20 – 00;23;03;16
Wendy
And he told me what to do and she told me that, you know, this happened, this happened and it got it got better. And she was grateful that I had the courage to do that. So so anyway, by revelation and if we’re told by him to do it, then his power will flow through it. Whether or not we are you know what I mean?

00;23;03;16 – 00;23;07;29
Wendy
Whether or not we know exactly what’s happening, it’s it’s okay. So anyway.

00;23;08;16 – 00;23;34;19
Cameron
It’s actually I love that part about like the staying power, right. Because I especially dabbling in introductions into the the world of healing. Like the first thing that I was noticing was that nothing ever stuck. I was like, Oh, well, that must be because it’s faults. And so I kind of turned away from it because I was like, Yeah, obviously it doesn’t work.

00;23;34;19 – 00;23;51;17
Cameron
Or I mean, it might work, but it’s only for a few minutes or a couple of days and then it just comes back. And that really got me when the Lord was like, okay, yes. But that’s your fault. And I was like.

00;23;51;25 – 00;23;53;02
Wendy
Oh, wait.

00;23;54;04 – 00;24;30;29
Cameron
You’re telling me that it’s my fault that this is not great? And I’m like, okay. And so there was a long path that he took me down. And honestly, it was kind of hard because it was hard to put into words until I listened to that interview with Jeff about many of our listeners, probably listened to it about the The Sultan Seven Secrets and the process of creating spiritually before it manifest physically and the the art of spirits, the art of spiritual physics.

00;24;30;29 – 00;25;00;03
Cameron
And when I finally got the words to kind of formulate around that and and help kind of lock my, my brain into it, it was like, oh, so like you because, yes, the power can flow through us. If it’s the Lord’s, will we through our sins or transgressions or unbelief or fear, we can counteract the faith that the Lord is blessing us with and bring the same things right back into our lives.

00;25;00;15 – 00;25;36;15
Cameron
And until we can actually spiritually create a whole new reality, it’s always going to snap back until it is not a part of us anymore. And so I was like, Oh my goodness. That unlocks everything about the the temple pattern of spiritual creation and how it is antecedent to the physical creation. It’s always going to snap back until it is a permanent reality, and then the physical world just molds around it.

00;25;36;23 – 00;26;14;15
Cameron
And that revolutionized the way that I give blessings or am praying over people and helping others actually heal from whatever they are suffering with, because there’s a variety of different categories of maladies, right? But that I don’t know of that just that really hit me. Like as I was giving a blessing the other day, it yes, I can totally bless you and pronounce the Lord’s will, but unless you change the the thing that brought this on, it’s just going to come back.

00;26;14;15 – 00;26;40;12
Cameron
And so talking through and actually developing the faith, which is the, the spiritual creation and, and helping the person realize what that needed to be and giving them AIDS in it. Then then it just facilitated that blessing. It was probably the most powerful that I’ve ever given and was like, Wow, I was changed by it. I wasn’t even the one being having the hands on my head.

00;26;40;12 – 00;26;49;23
Cameron
And it was it was such a transformational process to me of learning how the Lord works through faith. Anyway, I don’t know.

00;26;50;27 – 00;26;52;02
Wendy
If that’s amazing.

00;26;52;06 – 00;26;55;16
Cameron
Ideas or thoughts on that in your own experiences and stuff, but.

00;26;56;07 – 00;27;31;28
Wendy
Well, it’s, it’s, it’s an essential experience. Any time we have revelation, it’s, it changes us. And because we can’t really change without it, I mean, that’s how, you know, the Lord works and and healing us is really we receive more light and we receive more light when we, when we hear him, I mean, really, really feel his love, you know, are we, are we kept from the truth because we don’t know where to find it?

00;27;32;12 – 00;28;11;01
Wendy
Yeah, like and how do we find it? We find it through the source. And so there’s not a shortcut to, to healing. It’s, it’s something that, that has to be done with a pure and an open heart with meekness and, and just really the sacrifice that’s called on for me is just that broken heart, contrite spirit to to really have the desire to to like I will do whatever I will I will know whatever you want me to know.

00;28;12;08 – 00;28;41;27
Wendy
Bring bring it up, bring it to my knowledge. And because, like you said, with spiritual creation, it’s huge. One scripture that was given to me, which kind of took me back, but it was like two and I’m not going to quote it probably exactly. But the Lord does nothing safe. He was full of the secrets to his servants, the prophets, and were the every man was a prophet and every woman is a prophet in their home for their family and their stewardship.

00;28;42;26 – 00;29;10;14
Wendy
Yeah. For how can we access the power of God? How can we bring about miracles if the Lord doesn’t reveal them? First, He needs to reveal His secrets to his servants. The prophets. So if if there’s something to be done, he needs us to know it first before it can be done. Does isn’t that what that says? Doesn’t it?

00;29;10;14 – 00;29;31;07
Wendy
Doesn’t he need to show it to us first? We need to have some sort of spiritual creation. So when I am praying for something, I ask to see it in my mind’s eye or to know it. So I have, I have a pretty good gift of knowing or something. It’s like that. It’s like an imagination can kind of just open your mind and say, okay, what is it going to look like?

00;29;31;15 – 00;30;03;07
Wendy
Right? Or How does it feel? Hannah Having an open heart was harder for me. I’ve put a lot of walls around it. I have a gift for feeling what others are feeling and carrying their burdens. And so what a gift. But it’s one that I’ve struggled that when I struggled with the Lord with a little bit like take it away, you know, it it’s it’s good though, because when, when we use the gifts, we feel him.

00;30;03;08 – 00;30;21;07
Wendy
You’re right. And we, we know him better and I know him more as I as I keep that open heart in this work to feel it and actually feel people’s what they’re going through or I think I wake up with desires, I’m like, that is not mine. And then I just pray and help. Father’s right. I mean, it’s right there, right?

00;30;21;18 – 00;30;44;13
Wendy
And it’s like, this is something I need you to pray for. And, like, it’s not you, you know what I mean? But you still need to repent of it because I it’s I don’t know. I don’t know how I can say it. But since our bodies are temples and things on the other side can’t be done unless there’s temples, baptisms and ordinance.

00;30;45;02 – 00;30;49;01
Wendy
Right. You see the laying on of hands is repentance and ordinance.

00;30;50;06 – 00;30;50;21
Cameron
Interesting?

00;30;50;24 – 00;30;58;17
Wendy
I don’t know. The atonement is an ordinance that only the Lord could do. So I’m just putting that out there as a question.

00;30;59;13 – 00;31;01;17
Cameron
Yeah. And to think about.

00;31;01;26 – 00;31;07;22
Wendy
And I don’t know, it’s easier to repent on earth with a body than it is in the spiritual correct thinking.

00;31;08;00 – 00;31;08;12
Cameron
Yeah.

Part II

00;00;00;01 – 00;00;07;00
Wendy
So there’s just things like that. Is it is it wrong to ask those questions? No, I don’t think so. That’s I know the.

00;00;07;00 – 00;00;09;19
Cameron
Things that people keep asking.

00;00;10;16 – 00;00;12;08
Wendy
Yeah, I’m a question asked, sir.

00;00;13;29 – 00;00;22;05
Cameron
For some reason, we kind of put ourselves in in these boxes of these are the okay questions to ask and these ones you don’t touch.

00;00;22;26 – 00;00;23;12
Wendy
I.

00;00;23;20 – 00;00;44;16
Cameron
I don’t know. It’s so crazy to me when I finally, like, exploded my box, I make know we need to ask questions or else how are we ever going to get answers or, you know, cause sometimes the answer is put that on the shelf. Don’t worry, I’ll guide you there eventually. But like, you know, tackle this 1/1 because this is more pending.

00;00;44;26 – 00;01;17;29
Cameron
But the Lord loves to ask us questions. And isn’t that also a huge pattern of Scripture? Every single prophet, every single temple experience, everything is what what do you want? He’s he’s interested to know what we want and and to show us reveal himself and and the mysteries of the kingdom. And he tells us, I mean, there’s many commandments throughout the scriptures to to seek, to ask, seek, not search the mysteries like it’s all open for us.

00;01;17;29 – 00;01;22;01
Cameron
Like ask questions. That’s it’s just you.

00;01;22;02 – 00;01;49;20
Wendy
Yeah, yeah. You can you have your permission to ask any question that you need about your body. If that you need about for your mental health or your emotional or spiritual help for the past present things about your ancestors like those are something that we all need to know. We have permission to do that. Mm hmm. We have a responsibility to even to do that.

00;01;49;29 – 00;02;16;12
Wendy
I see things that my kids are struggling with, that I’ve struggled with, that I’m like, Oh, well. Hmm. I wasn’t able to heal from that one, but it’s okay. Okay. Here’s something else. Any blame or shame? Blame and shame. Some of the lowest energies in the body. Yeah. Where we find them, we can be grateful for them. Whatever you find.

00;02;17;18 – 00;02;42;06
Wendy
Be grateful for it. Because that’s a revelation. So I’m just found one. And I’m thinking about my kids struggling with things that that I haven’t yet done. Right. But it’s like I’m grateful to know and that’s why I’m grateful to know or what an adventure, you know, like this is. This is going to be interesting, you know, or I just get excited about any truth that comes up.

00;02;42;18 – 00;03;19;04
Wendy
So Alma, 37, was a big scripture that was given to me in revelation and a vision of sorts. Like, I know I have a gift of seeing with my spiritual eyes, but but there are so many things. BEARDSLEY Anyway, almost 37. I you remember that that some with his son Alma was was talking to his son Cor and it’s talking about the plates that that he was giving them.

00;03;19;04 – 00;03;41;02
Wendy
But also before we go any further, I just look at Mormons also. Right. Covenants, yeah. Huge covenants are huge about receiving blessings and and cutting off curses like we’re, we’re not going to, you know, or are we going to prosper in the land? Over and over. He tells us In as much as you shall keep my commandments, you shall prosper in the land.

00;03;41;17 – 00;04;05;09
Wendy
And as much as ye shall not keep my commandments, ye shall be cut off from my presence. And so when I read the Book of Mormon, it’s almost like a lien says to me in some ways, because I see things come up and I’m like, or the large says me like, okay, this is not who you are. This is not part of so you need to cut that off, you know, certain things, I mean, all kinds of examples of wickedness.

00;04;05;27 – 00;04;21;11
Wendy
And sometimes we can feel like, Oh, that’s me, you know, and be triggered by it. I feel a lot of blame and shame, but then the Lord’s like, But you’re of my covenant. You’re supposed to trust. I’m going to let you prosper in the land where you accept that covenant. Enter with me into that covenant. We’re going to cut the rest off.

00;04;22;05 – 00;04;59;01
Wendy
And so when I study scripture, I’m putting like neck like little like a minus sign, but curses and positives by the things that he wants to bless me with, like present Nelson said. Yeah, and it’s like. But it’s by revelation. He’s leading you through that. Like, look at that prosper in the land as your body because isn’t this the land that we’re inheriting when we’re resurrected and it becomes a celestial, you know, entity that receives all the that the father has, you know, anyway, with with our savior.

00;04;59;01 – 00;05;29;24
Wendy
And it’s it’s like, yeah, like, but it’s not just going to happen because somebody snaps their fingers. We have to do the work. We have to change. We have to become like him. So, so, yeah, that’s, that’s the wonderful way that he’s taught me to look at the scriptures. So, Alma, 37, though, he talks about, remember, you’re entrusted with these these things which are sacred and have been preserved for a wise purpose in him.

00;05;29;24 – 00;05;57;12
Wendy
And there’s so many layers. The Scriptures, even as I’m reading that one, I’m thinking all you have is these records, the DNA that’s been entrusted to me by my ancestors, all these sacred records that sometimes have these secret combinations of works and abominations and them do you know what I mean? Anyway, it’s filtered through and he’s you know, it’s telling me, you know, I the Lord, I will prepare and my servant gazelle, I’m a stone, which is will shine forth and darkness and a light that I may discover to my people who serve me.

00;05;57;22 – 00;06;26;16
Wendy
That I may discover unto them the works of their brethren, their secret works, their works of darkness, and their reckless and abominations. And I’m like, Lord, I have to see these things he’s been telling me for years. I need you to see open your eyes and see. And I’m like, okay, because how can we become one in one with our our ancestor, one with, with within ourselves and one with the Lord?

00;06;26;16 – 00;06;50;04
Wendy
If, if there’s things between us, if there’s things keeping us from him. So all things grow in secret that shouldn’t. Darkness grows in secret. And when it comes to the light, it’s there is there’s a freedom to that. And almost immediately there’s this tome rushes in, but the atonement can’t reach it if it’s in secret and hiding and where.

00;06;50;04 – 00;07;08;12
Wendy
No. And that agency that we have that we don’t want people to know, there’s too much shame, there’s too much blame, there’s too much guilt. I can’t on that because that will I mean, even as Latter-Day Saints were like, we’ve got to be good. We got to be good. So I’m just going to push all that that desire and sin, whatever that is.

00;07;08;12 – 00;07;28;11
Wendy
I’m going to push it down. And I’m just going to pray that it goes away. Mm hmm. Right. And so in some ways, that’s how it is for me. It’s like, let’s just talk about all the good, and it’s like, yes, but we we need to talk about that. We can’t just let it fester there. It’s going to get moldy in the fridge.

00;07;28;11 – 00;07;55;14
Wendy
You have to clean it out. Right. It’s sitting in the back. There are in there and everybody’s pretending it’s not there and hoping that somebody comes in and we change and in ways that that we don’t want to have to face the opposition because we have to face opposition. It’s opposition and all things. So now that I’ve gone on that big rant, but it’s okay, will be okay.

00;07;56;28 – 00;07;59;04
Wendy
The Lord has us. Mm hmm.

00;08;00;11 – 00;08;31;19
Cameron
I love that with the. The science background and the intergenerational type of thing, because, you know, some people have been introduced to that in in healing and things and really trying to clear out things in their own personal life. That is a residual effect of prior generations or vice versa, onto our progenitors. And so.

00;08;33;03 – 00;08;33;15
Wendy
Yes.

00;08;34;13 – 00;09;11;00
Cameron
Isn’t it interesting I found this when I was reading Aaron Franklin’s book on the Spiritual Physics of Light and how our bodies react to the the act of repentance and and the the process of light and the the value of emotions and all of that. Um, not that that book covers all of that, but that was when I was reading that the Lord was teaching me all of these other things and like, Hey, go look up this Scripture in conjunction with that because they’re twin principles and they will help you in your journey here.

00;09;11;12 – 00;09;51;17
Cameron
And it was just so amazing realizing and you know, they’ve done lots of studies on this, that DNA can can change when we fix it, that another generation can actually receive that change as well. And I think it was in that one video that you sent me the other day where they had a test tube on in two separate locations and they had a strand of DNA in one, and they were transferred the signal over to another, the vial or test tube, and it had the building blocks of DNA.

00;09;51;17 – 00;10;28;19
Cameron
But the strand wasn’t completed yet. Right. But they were transmitting the frequency over to it and it aligned and it actually changed. And I was like, Huh? That is so interesting. And how that works over time and space and how we can actually heal with our generations. And because we have temples, we have bodies that can provide a a it’s just the perfect catalyst for all of this repentance, like you said.

00;10;28;19 – 00;10;36;03
Cameron
And anyway, it was just so amazing to see some, some science behind it, even though.

00;10;36;13 – 00;10;37;11
Wendy
Like, we.

00;10;37;27 – 00;11;24;13
Cameron
Really sometimes focus and pigeonhole ourselves in pseudo science, right? But like seeing that, hey, this isn’t just some religious gobbledygook, but that there’s actual science and we’re learning divine laws, how God is working with natural laws to help us heal. And anyway, that was just like so enlightening to me, knowing that DNA is eternal and that there is spiritual and physical, and all of that requires repentance in and to be a willing catalyst of of that effort in the the art of gift of of healing.

00;11;24;21 – 00;11;26;04
Cameron
It was just transformational to me.

00;11;26;20 – 00;11;28;08
Wendy
Oh, good. I’m so glad.

00;11;29;12 – 00;11;51;10
Cameron
But yeah. So how else have you found that that your background in science because I’m not a science guy, but I, I like little confirmations here and there, but like what? Background’s in science and things has really unlocked doors for you or your like some aha. Moments of oh wow, I can see how that works because of that background.

00;11;52;19 – 00;11;57;07
Wendy
Oh well I, I’d say that I see.

00;11;57;22 – 00;11;58;06
Cameron
I know it’s hard.

00;11;59;14 – 00;12;26;28
Wendy
For me and the gift, the best of knowledge has come from the Scriptures than just understanding of pure doctrine, you know. But, but for science, I’m not very smart. I don’t have a high city or anything like I. I want to understand things and I’ll try. But I. I could never teach college or anything like that, right. But I love the body.

00;12;26;28 – 00;12;48;17
Wendy
So anatomy and physiology is is a big one. I don’t understand it perfectly, but even with what I do know and my desire and my love for it, like. Yeah, it’s like I go to the temple sometimes and I’ll. I’ll receive something that I’m like, whoa, can I. I don’t know if I. Can I share one with you?

00;12;49;01 – 00;13;30;24
Wendy
Yeah, for sure. Um, well, I was studying the nervous system and the endocrine system, and the learner was just showing me how the glands of the body are kind of in each main energy center. Mm hmm. Of the body or people causing the chakras and whatever name you give them. But it’s. But then teaching me so that, you know, that how the Lord works is a lot like like the masculine to describe it.

00;13;30;24 – 00;13;42;13
Wendy
Heavenly Fathers power is like like the nervous system is just quick, powerful and straight there. Right. And but who’s teaching me about the Divine Feminine and and like the endocrine system? And that’s how the mother works.

00;13;43;14 – 00;13;46;03
Cameron
So I lost anyway. So I’m going to have to go study.

00;13;47;08 – 00;13;47;10
Wendy
The.

00;13;47;12 – 00;13;49;15
Cameron
Endocrine system stuff.

00;13;49;15 – 00;14;09;14
Wendy
It’s a it’s acute with communication in the body and nervous system in that system, our communication. So how we how do we receive light and how he works. I’m I’m still pondering on that one but but it’s it’s much more complicated in the divine feminine.

00;14;10;12 – 00;14;40;19
Cameron
But I love that you brought that up because like, I find that all of the spiritual gifts have two sides to it, that masculine and feminine. And there’s always like everything in the gospel has two sides of the same coin. Many of our if we’re going on like a very basic symbolism, right shapes and and numbers, when we have a single like a single circle, it means one thing.

00;14;40;28 – 00;15;01;06
Cameron
But then when we couple it or overlay it with another shape, it becomes a very intricate and and powerful symbol for something even higher. And so I find that with masculine and feminine coming together in so many different ways lately for me. So I really like.

00;15;01;09 – 00;15;01;28
Wendy
To offset.

00;15;02;08 – 00;15;36;02
Cameron
Nervous and endocrine and and tiny an aspect to that of oh, of course there’s so much power in the family proclamation and the, the roles that we play here on Earth and that it I don’t know is it just blows my mind sometimes of some of those dichotomies that we learn in the temple and throughout Scripture on that, because it’s never meant to be just one solo.

00;15;36;02 – 00;15;41;15
Cameron
It, it’s learning how to mesh the two energies.

00;15;41;15 – 00;16;11;20
Wendy
Yeah. And they perfectly complement each other and, and I just want to be clear that it’s not like those processes are them as an archetype. Breath is just a parable in a sense of or a symbol, a symbol of of how. And I’m sure there’s it’s not perfect, but it’s that’s interesting as something. So the Lord works with what we know and you don’t need to know anatomy and physiology to, to, to be to be healed, right?

00;16;11;21 – 00;16;34;28
Wendy
Or to to heal because he he speaks to us in the language that we understand. And it’s not just English or Spanish, it’s who we are. Right. And what we understand, how we communicate, what are what our personality is, what our interests are, and our desires. Because he he works with us a lot by what we desire and and gives us.

00;16;34;28 – 00;17;00;11
Wendy
And so that’s just huge, which is based on what’s in our hearts. And I, I just got to say, before I forget those feelings, I don’t nobody should feel bad about or feel like any feeling is a sin. I think feelings are our flags and they help guide us desires. However, as when it starts to, it’s a sin.

00;17;00;11 – 00;17;21;22
Wendy
It’s like it’s in the heart. It’s been, it’s growing in the heart. It’s become something that needs to be repented of and wait it out. The feelings are something to be, the flags to be followed and to find out what’s at the root. And that’s another very if you have clear intentions, if you’re engaged in this work is have very clear intentions with Heavenly Father.

00;17;22;01 – 00;17;42;20
Wendy
These are my parameters. This is the runway. I’m not going off this way or that way. It’s got to be on the gospel. Very clear. This is I even write down I my I want to write because writing is what he’s told me to do as far as keeping a record that when we write it’s written in heaven and so forth.

00;17;42;20 – 00;18;11;23
Wendy
Like it’s part of what he’s asked me to do for it to be be sure I know how to or I don’t know if it’s exactly that. Anyway, so writing, it’s like, what’s going on? Define the pain, define where it’s at. Because where it’s that is very clear on also the body communicating because the knee is often a lot of fear or in the kidneys there’s a lot of fear based on different things.

00;18;11;23 – 00;18;35;25
Wendy
I mean, there’s there’s things you can learn. And there’s very a lot of truth in some of the things that you can learn through different modalities. It’s just how you use them and making sure that you’re excused and received by revelation and not for the and it’s got to be for the benefit of building Zion. So so anyway, those, those things are are are all important.

00;18;35;25 – 00;19;01;09
Wendy
But we were talking about science and there was one other thought I had that I wanted to add. Jocelyn Peterson was we were talking and she was talking about how it’s interesting how an atom, but there’s a lot of space in an atom. Right. And it’s almost like we’re filled with space. And inside is almost like this in our universe as much as there is in this outer universe.

00;19;01;23 – 00;19;22;29
Wendy
And we in our bodies were holding so much space for the Lord’s work to be done. And that matter can be we’re co-creators with God it matter is supposed to be acted upon, is supposed to be used to create and so we’re here as creators and working on that matter, but we’re holding that space for God to do His work.

00;19;23;22 – 00;20;02;16
Wendy
And I just thought that was amazing to think of it in that way. But yeah, that the lights there’s so much light in the world, the, the glory of God is and is and he is it. The light of Christ is in all things and through all things and all things to note. There is a God. And how can we not believe that in in creation there’s it’s it’s so there’s so many evidences like you were saying that it’s science will ultimately lead you to God and it will always align with the gospel.

00;20;02;25 – 00;20;13;02
Wendy
And if it doesn’t, then you can find out, okay, there’s some truth here that or unbelief that I need to root out and truth to find. And that’s exciting to me. There’s so much to learn.

00;20;13;18 – 00;20;52;29
Cameron
Mm hmm. I love it. Yeah, like it’s almost impossible to even learn a hundredth part of what we can even what’s even possible here in this mortality, like. Oh, my word. There’s there’s just so much. And it always points to God and how miraculous it is, this creation and and our experiences here. It’s just amazing. And sometimes we just get like so wrapped up in the day to day struggles and chronic issues that that we present ourselves with and but focusing on.

00;20;53;00 – 00;21;34;06
Cameron
I really love when headed with this in my brain and doing is going with like the emotions and feelings and, and all of that that you were talking about because it’s so crucial to take ownership of, of that and in the right ways because um, one thing that I wanted to correct from my dream podcast or not correct, but clarify because in my interview with Meghan, a few people have talked to me about what I said about emotions and but I’m totally along the line of what you just said there, that emotions are wrong, like our feelings, we have to recognize them.

00;21;34;06 – 00;21;59;01
Cameron
It’s legitimate. It’s okay to feel what you feel, but it’s all about the agency of what you do with that. It’s not just, okay, if we everything on a spectrum, here’s all the good emotions, here’s all the bad ones, and we just cast the bad ones out. And that’s what some people had kind of interpreted of what I was trying to say behind that.

00;21;59;06 – 00;22;28;01
Cameron
But but no, that’s not what I was meaning at all. But I have to be grateful for the the negative because that’s how we learn of. Okay, yeah. So do I want to dwell in that and where do I want to, to turn and go? Like you said, they’re like little flags of, hey, this is what is a symptom or this is what’s presenting and I want this instead.

00;22;28;02 – 00;23;09;21
Cameron
And so how do I go about doing that and asking the Lord and feeling and healing through that process? Their emotions are are so interesting in that going back again to Jeff’s podcast, the the role of emotions and feelings in the process of spiritual creation was something totally new to me before I had heard that podcast, and now it’s just totally opened up my mind to what I’m doing and being cognizant of my emotions at all times, not just as I’m journaling it at the at the end of the day.

00;23;09;21 – 00;23;23;16
Cameron
And like, okay, I felt this emotion and these ones and how do I do things? But like in real time, real time processing of the emotions I found very crucial in my own repentance process and in my own.

00;23;23;26 – 00;23;24;09
Wendy
Eyes.

00;23;24;09 – 00;23;31;16
Cameron
On a daily basis. I found that so transformational. Oh, great. Why don’t we teach this when we’re young?

00;23;32;20 – 00;23;55;25
Wendy
It’s like you feel empowered. You feel empowered to know that that you had the right to feel and to have joy like we’re called, to have joy right in Christ and enter into his rest, overcome the world like we. We will have these emotions that that are very difficult, but we have to face them and be like, okay, this, this is not who I, I am.

00;23;55;25 – 00;24;13;15
Wendy
This is not where I want to be. So, Lord, help me repent. Help this to be rooted out of my out of my breast and rooted out of the the DNA or whatever. You know, change the cellular structure. I mean, there’s so many processes that that can be done. But in a way, we don’t need to go that deep anywhere.

00;24;13;15 – 00;24;36;10
Wendy
Sometimes in the past we to have to write down certain I mean, even back years ago, we would hold acupressure points like this. This emotion is in this this this energy meridian. Right. And so we hold those acupressure points or we’d have to write a to at least now we can just write up. Thank you. The acupressure point where this is at and we need this to be held.

00;24;36;10 – 00;25;00;11
Wendy
Can the angels or can the body hold this acupressure point like acupuncture, kind of to have that energy released? But where we’re at right now with with it coming closer to the Lord’s coming or I’m not sure what speeding up or, you know, the hastening in the work we are able or maybe we’re hearing him better and we’re receiving that word clear that things just happen.

00;25;00;11 – 00;25;30;17
Wendy
We you don’t have to have like a lot of, you know, very specific understandings to to just to do the work. And it goes fast. It can be very quick. So but anyway, I appreciate you talking about about those feelings are like colors of a rainbow or the therapist once taught me she’s like, you should not feel guilt or volume or shame for for anything regarding those.

00;25;30;17 – 00;26;01;13
Wendy
And it’s our inner child, our inner or this fallen now and really it’s like we came to the world broken. Right. And this even like pieces of us just get like like like, you know, broken off and we’re just if if we’re broken in that and there’s a feeling that’s trying to help us be like, hey, there’s, there’s part of me that was, like, separated because of trauma that that I actually disassociated from myself, right?

00;26;01;13 – 00;26;34;06
Wendy
Any kind of trauma can cause even somebody losing a loved one. We sometimes deal with things by disassociating by or, you know, things have to be restored. All things, the gospel and the restoration restoration is continuing its ongoing. It’s happening in our bodies as well. And so just pushing things aside, we can’t be whole unless we acknowledge and say this feeling was part of this, what happened and I need to integrate it and I need to remember, I need to feel it again.

00;26;34;19 – 00;26;54;16
Wendy
And then the Lord’s able to consecrate it and then and make you whole in that. And then and then it’s, it’s swept away on it, even in sin. And I’ll get swept away like you can’t just push, push it out. I don’t, I can’t see it. I have to bury that. You know, it’s not like burying weapons of war, right?

00;26;54;16 – 00;27;18;29
Wendy
And you just leave them there in the ground. We can do that with with with sin, but not with feelings. They will. There’s a book called Feelings Buried Alive Never Die. Yeah. Or The Emotion Code or I think I like some other ones a little bit better. We don’t need magnets. We don’t need we don’t need these these things that we come up with, right?

00;27;19;00 – 00;27;45;06
Wendy
These, these philosophies of have meant to help us focus this intent. I guess that focus of the intent, maybe some of maybe some of us do, maybe we need muscle testing to help us get have a little bit more confidence to hear the word of the Lord. I mean, everybody’s journey is different. So I’m not saying you don’t and go where the Lord tells you, but it’s okay not to to use any of it.

00;27;45;06 – 00;27;56;27
Wendy
I mean, use the knowledge that he wants you to go and receive to to fulfill your mission because knowledge is important and he’ll use it to work upon that knowledge to give you a revelation.

00;27;57;17 – 00;28;26;11
Cameron
Hmm. So I love that, you know, with any of the modalities and different things, sometimes I find that it’s hard to talk with other people about things because they do get very defensive. I guess it’s a good word. But of know the Lord told me this is how it works. Like the magnet reference, you said, right? Like, No, the Lord told me that you use magnets here.

00;28;26;11 – 00;28;42;10
Cameron
And so that that revelation blanket applies to everyone when the gift of healing is so wide and varied and the Lord is going to reveal whatever training wheels that you need at training will.

00;28;42;10 – 00;28;43;08
Wendy
Yes, I love it.

00;28;44;03 – 00;29;17;12
Cameron
But those training wheels vary from person to person and to to to lock anyone into any one specific modality or that how that modality has to work was very off putting to me, just kind of navigating my way, my ways into into into healing. And, but like you said, I found that I, I often find that my beginning training wheels are just not as necessary, not likening myself to Joseph Smith in any way.

00;29;17;12 – 00;29;23;07
Cameron
But, you know, like when it’s referenced that he used the element, but then he became a German and I’m like.

00;29;23;07 – 00;29;50;16
Wendy
He’s a uh huh. And that’s what the Lord wants us to do. Yeah, yeah. We are just satellites to our hiking. Right. He’s, he’s, he wants to, to change us into a some the way we can hold his glory and then we could be a sunbeam for him, you know, and do his work. It’s, it’s not about us, we’re just instruments and the the close to that we come.

00;29;50;16 – 00;30;07;21
Wendy
We don’t need those things. We really, really don’t. And the more we can get away from it and then we’re just on our bike. But even then we don’t really need a bike. What if we could just, like, be there? Can we just, like, pray for a friend around the world and be like, okay, holy father, she wants me to pray about this?

00;30;08;09 – 00;30;50;03
Wendy
What? What can I know to help her? Is there something that I can help? Because in conference I was a 2017 sister. Anyway, they were. A lot of the changes in the church revelation is scattered among us and we need counsel. We cannot do this alone. Yes, we have personal revelation. But. But we are connected in ways that are much more beautiful and, you know, covenants we’ve made with each other and things like I mean, we’ve talked sometimes we hear people talk about that, but it’s okay to say, what can I know to help them?

00;30;50;03 – 00;31;08;04
Wendy
Is there something that I know that they don’t know that I can know to pray for? Like, we don’t know everything. We are the body of Christ. We do not have to be the whole kit and caboodle. We shouldn’t. And if we think we are, we’re damned. Yeah, we’re not.

00;31;08;04 – 00;31;08;20
Cameron
That’s out.

00;31;09;07 – 00;31;32;24
Wendy
We’re not going to progress. We need each other. And it’s okay to just. If you’re going by revelation, you should never say this is what I revealed for you. But if if we are, our hearts are aligned to the Lord and we love it’s true. If we have that connection and we’re called to do it, then why would we put our limitations say, But God, I cannot receive revelation for anybody else.

00;31;33;01 – 00;31;53;01
Wendy
It’s like, okay, if that’s the way you feel, how can you do as a word? Yeah. If we’ve got stuck in paradigms that are not his, but unbelief is holding us back. And there’s so many little things like that that we need to check ourselves on because beware. What can he make of us once? Once those are gone, it’ll be amazing.

00;31;53;04 – 00;31;55;21
Wendy
And it’ll really be exciting to see.

00;31;56;08 – 00;31;56;18
Cameron
Yeah.

Part III

00;00;00;13 – 00;00;32;08
Cameron
So just kind of a random little tenant story that’s popping in my head. But when I learned this lesson, it has like really stuck with me and based off of this one. So back in Singles Ward, we were doing a Passover Seder. And one of the rules that they really heavily emphasized was that you cannot serve yourself, that when you want to, you fill your cup, or if you want more bread or whatever that you have to ask someone to serve you that thing.

00;00;32;20 – 00;00;55;26
Cameron
And you can never just reach and grab it for yourself. And that made such an impact on me, because that was the first time that because I’m a very like, I’ll just do it myself. It’s easier that way. But spiritual gifts are given for the benefit of Zion. Like you said, probably all of the spiritual gifts are not for our own personal.

00;00;55;26 – 00;01;29;08
Cameron
Like, ooh, yeah. I can do this now. It’s about building Zion and personal revelation is for others. I mean, there are certain things that we have that are in our jurisdiction or in our realm of influence. Right? But like, sometimes we take that and interpret it the wrong way and limit our our power to receive revelation or use our spiritual gifts to build Zion and help other people.

00;01;29;15 – 00;01;48;13
Cameron
And I it’s just always stuck with me on. That’s how I want to use my spiritual gifts. I never want to just reach and grab. I want to. To reach out and ask for for others to to help. I find that a lot with dreams because, I mean, that’s my thing, right? My my go to thing is dreams.

00;01;48;14 – 00;02;11;05
Cameron
Awesome. The I always have a hard time interpreting my own dreams. If I have not been willing to help others interpret theirs. And so, like, there’s always kind of an impediment of like, don’t use this to self-serve. Like, once you go out and help other people with their dreams, then then I’ll allow you to. To do it for your own.

00;02;11;05 – 00;02;20;20
Cameron
But there’s many times when the Lord is like, No, you don’t have the the power to interpret your own. You’ve got to go find an interpreter, because that’s how Zion works.

00;02;20;29 – 00;02;23;00
Wendy
And so oh, that’s interesting.

00;02;23;05 – 00;02;49;01
Cameron
Is interesting with the gift of healing. I am rarely I mean, there are times, but it’s rarely for my own benefit. Like, there are certain things that, you know, it’s just the the day to day simple repentance that I need to do for my own stuff. But a lot of ancestor work, a lot of people are around me and that’s it’s always this give and take.

00;02;49;01 – 00;03;28;24
Cameron
And, and I have certain friends that that are helping me any time that I have something that’s like, okay, help me work through this. Help me develop and grow spiritually so that I can be healed in this or that. And and then I’ll help you. And it’s just this always reciprocal give and take of of spiritual gifts. It’s been such a game changer for me to to solidify or always have it as a constant reminder, almost like a full on on my forehead of never use your spiritual gifts for your own benefit if you’re not willing to spend equal time helping others do it as well.

00;03;29;27 – 00;03;31;29
Cameron
It’s been a guiding force for me.

00;03;32;17 – 00;03;43;14
Wendy
Yeah, that’s on the runway for sure. That’s a guiding. It’s a for. Yeah. Being like, Christ, that’s what he did. Mm hmm. Yeah. So he did.

00;03;44;13 – 00;04;03;02
Cameron
So one question that I wanted to ask with all of our spiritual gifts participants and things is, well, I probably should have asked you this before, but have you ever read the dream from the book is called The Way to Aloha or something along those lines? I really.

00;04;03;08 – 00;04;06;01
Wendy
Got up. Yes, I’ve read I’ve read that.

00;04;06;25 – 00;04;32;17
Cameron
But so there’s this warehouse of spiritual gifts and all of some things have a price tag. Some are freely given with the gift of healing and being healed. What would you say is the price tag to receive that gift? And do you think that that is personal or is that a universal price tag that everyone has to pay, or what are the nuances of?

00;04;33;05 – 00;04;52;22
Cameron
Okay, so it has this price that I think is kind of universal, but then there’s like little addendums or like this person needs to learn it this way kind of thing. But anyway, how would you define the price tag for the gift of of healing and being healed? And that’s a tall order. You can edit out any time that you need to think about that.

00;04;54;00 – 00;05;31;06
Wendy
I’ll take about 5 minutes now. The what’s coming to my mind’s is the I don’t know. How do you put it into words? Because spiritual things are that I want to find the right word. But repentance is the closest. Having a broken heart and a contrite spirit. And because to be a pure, I wish I had the Scripture with me.

00;05;31;16 – 00;05;58;16
Wendy
But any and things in the dancy and the doctor and covenants but I’m not sure about you know if any man is you know going to be about his work. They have to have a pure heart or pure hands. I wish I had that on me, but I just it feels like that’s one thing that I’ve a. I have to have that broken heart country spirit.

00;05;58;17 – 00;06;15;07
Wendy
And you know, though I don’t know if I have to be completely I’m not have to be. It’s not being perfect, Lawrence told me, like even days when I’m like, I just ate a whole bag of chips while watching a late movie, and I was supposed to get the bed so I could get up in the morning and spend time with you.

00;06;15;23 – 00;06;34;28
Wendy
And I didn’t do it. And so, like, he’s still like, okay, but there’s this thing that I needed you to do and I need you to do it. I need you to go and pray about about your son’s constipation. It’s like but I’m not like, I’m not going to be a very good receptacle right now. I don’t feel the spirit.

00;06;36;19 – 00;07;01;08
Wendy
But he’s still like, just just come and do it. And I’m not going to get as much as a spiritual benefit from it as I would if I was in tune. So it really I think it’s just the broken. And he needs me to repent though and be like, okay, I’m sorry I did that. And, and I, I’m going to do my best to, to hear you.

00;07;01;08 – 00;07;21;21
Wendy
And it’s not going to come as clear and it’s not going to be filled with light and revelation. Because usually when when I’m doing the work with him, it’s almost like as I’m receiving it for somebody else, I’m receiving the healing as well. I’m receiving the light. But it’s not for me. It’s for you know, for my son and for a friend.

00;07;21;21 – 00;07;56;24
Wendy
And so but as it comes, it’s almost like I’m being benefits. Like when people say when you teach a lesson, you know, the people are getting, you know, you’re doing it for them, but you’re really getting a lot of the benefit. That’s kind of how it feels with the work. So yeah, repentance and having a broken heart and spirit, being willing to feel whatever comes up because some of the things that my son is going through have to do with some of the things that I’m not doing right now as a parents sometimes or sometimes it’s that I see how I’m seeing, how hard it is for him, and it breaks my heart as a

00;07;56;24 – 00;08;15;22
Wendy
mother. Sometimes it’s like, Whoa, I did not realize how heavy that was for them. It gives me more empathy and kindness when he’s being a brat, you know? But it helps me and all my, my, it helps me just be a better mother. It helps me be a better person. It helps me to be closer to the Lord.

00;08;15;22 – 00;08;44;00
Wendy
And and then when when he’s he’s healed of that. And we’re still working on that one. That’s a big one in our family. That’s not what I’ve struggled with. I’ve actually had the opposite. I have had ulcerative colitis for years and my my colon was removed about two years ago. And so I feel so much better with my back, like having a colon as a me not not having it.

00;08;44;13 – 00;09;07;16
Wendy
I’m looking forward to the day when when I will be healed because there was time right before the surgery, because I was getting better, was feeling better, but just pre-cancer there. So there’s some cells in there that did not want to listen and and change. They didn’t want to align to the word of God. That was like the Lord’s blessing, man.

00;09;07;16 – 00;09;30;17
Wendy
They did not chase. So we had to cut them off, which was another and the Book of Mormon, you know, they was king men that didn’t repent. You have to cut them off. And so anyway, so I’m I’m going deep into this but some things the Lord’s letting me lead led me through so much healing emotionally, spiritually, mentally and physically.

00;09;30;26 – 00;09;54;10
Wendy
But there was just that one part that wouldn’t change. And I’m like, Can we just keep cutting it out and we’ll come back? We just but it’s like, No, it’s got to all come out. And that was a big sacrifice, a big descent, a big humiliation. It’s like it’s it’s something that I was really resistant on. But he told me right before I got that surgery, he gave me so many instances like, I’m going to heal you.

00;09;54;10 – 00;10;07;00
Wendy
I’m going to heal you. I cannot deny he told me he was going to heal my colon. I’m like, We don’t have to do it. Yeah. Like I was not even going to do it. Like, I had so much faith. I’m like, I’m not going to do it. But then I got it because I know it needs to come out.

00;10;07;00 – 00;10;24;14
Wendy
That’s what I mean. Like, how are you going to but he’s going to heal me someday and I’m going to receive in the colon and it’s going to be filled with light and it’s going to be filled with charity better than I ever have. But he’s I don’t know how. Right. Science doesn’t have an answer for that yet.

00;10;25;04 – 00;10;55;02
Wendy
But but I trust him and things are so much better now. I’m able to serve him and actually see better. Like there’s I remember the night that I was taken out and I’m just I don’t know, I’m sharing this. Maybe it helps somebody, but if it if something offends you, you have to cut it off, right? If it’s not coming into alignment with the Gospel of Jesus Christ, it cannot be a part of our it cannot be a part of us.

00;10;55;16 – 00;11;30;04
Wendy
And now I’m able to do this work so much better. But the night that it came out, I remember seeing so much peace in my body. Like like there wasn’t there wasn’t something there that the darkness could attach to anymore. And it was so beautiful and so so anyway, it’s okay. Whatever the path the Lord takes you on that healing, it’s, it’s okay because that’s what you need to do for your to be to fulfill your mission and, and we, it’s okay for me to be humbled, but I don’t know where we’re going with that.

00;11;30;06 – 00;11;38;20
Wendy
I keep going off. I hope that we’re sticking to your price. We needed to pay right? Yeah, I did answer that. Okay.

00;11;39;23 – 00;12;12;27
Cameron
Yeah, I love it. I don’t know any. So if you let’s see, how do I phrase this question? Because it’s not one on my list of spitballing here now. So where do you see your future. Like what have you yet to learn in this and and where are you like what’s in your current studies or what what, what magnification of this gift of healing is on the horizon for you?

00;12;13;04 – 00;12;39;19
Cameron
Often when I’m asking myself this question, it’s what does the 2.0 version of this look like if I’m still in the beta phase? And so, okay, so I’m always looking to improve or sometimes I’ll ask myself, okay, so projecting forward into the actual Land of Zion, I’m there now. What does this look like in that perfect state? And so like, I don’t know any of those kind of things.

00;12;39;19 – 00;12;41;21
Cameron
I’ll format this question better when I ask.

00;12;41;25 – 00;12;45;29
Wendy
No, it’s good. It gives me time to think about it. So and a lot random.

00;12;47;16 – 00;12;55;20
Cameron
But yeah, like you’ve come a long way. It’s good. And what’s the future like?

00;12;55;20 – 00;13;50;07
Wendy
The future like I’ve gone through a lot of beta phases and I don’t need to write things down as much. Um, a lot of it is I keep going back to the temple and just doing it with Christ. Like I feel like he’s calling me a lot to walk with him. And I mean, I’ve always kind of like, you know, pray and and it’s gone through phases of mighty prayer and but I feel like it’s it’s really moving to like being ready for his coming, like like his coming to me personally and like for me, I know I, I, I need to be able to do more and have greater faith.

00;13;52;03 – 00;14;15;00
Wendy
And that’s got to become through my temple covenants. Like, like President Nelson said, overcoming the world is still a big thing for me. I still have. He’s placing me in situations where it’s difficult. They ask me to do things so that I’ll grow. But but having him there with me and knowing he’s there is kind of my focus right now.

00;14;15;09 – 00;14;40;03
Wendy
So, for instance, like, I mean, I’m a if you ask me to be a teacher this year and I did not want to go and do things the government’s way anyway. And it’s just a lot of stress in the schools. It’s a lot of stress. He wants me to be there for the kids and also for myself. You see me physically and I can now do things like that.

00;14;40;03 – 00;15;00;05
Wendy
And but there’s still some emotional mental things that he’s putting me in situations where I’m like, Well, there’s a lot of stress here, and these kids are I’m feeling the energy off the kids. And but he’s wanting me to do the work in the classroom in front of. But in a way that’s that’s almost automatic just knowing now.

00;15;01;01 – 00;15;37;19
Wendy
And instead of having to sit down and do it, you know, on paper and pen and or in dreams and whatnot, but on the fly, in the middle of a very stressful situation. And that’s what I mean, like being ready for his coming. And when I was meditating the other day, when I was getting ready for going back to the very stressful situation because I feel very deeply and these things like I feel the spiritual situation there is not the best, but I need to create it and it’s causing a lot of PTSD in me, needless to say, but it’s just helping me heal.

00;15;37;19 – 00;16;02;03
Wendy
But um, so very big question. I’m looking to go that direction, but with him coming, it’s going to be some stress before his coming. There’s going to be some stressful situations and for us to be ready, we need to be able to operate more automatically than being in a very quiet place where I can meditate and hear him.

00;16;02;17 – 00;16;37;07
Wendy
How do you hear him in spaces where it’s kind of chaotic, where you’re being triggered, where your being bombarded by all kinds of untruth or persecuted? How do we hold that peace and stay in his rest in the middle of those things? And that’s where I see it going. And where I can I can just pray for people right there and or lay my hands on people and just be like, this needs to be done because he’s telling me it’s be done and I love him and I trust him and it’s going to happen.

00;16;37;29 – 00;16;42;25
Wendy
So anyway, we’ll get there anyway.

00;16;42;28 – 00;17;09;21
Cameron
Like as you’re saying that I didn’t realize that that was applying to a couple of my other gifts too. It’s like, Oh yeah, that’s exactly how I would articulate that. If I sat down and tried to put that in the words of what’s for an example, I guess like, yes, when I’m first interpreting dreams, I mean, it takes me hours to interpret a dream and I have to write it down and chart it out and do all this kind of stuff.

00;17;10;04 – 00;17;44;15
Cameron
But like when, when push comes to serve, sometimes you need to act quicker and you need to be sometimes it’s in a public situation or sometimes it’s this or that. And like being able to use the gift in better ways with what? Like, yeah, just kind of going through the paces. All of these different challenges that the Lord’s going to throw out, you know, like, okay, now I need you to, to use it in this way, this way and in this circumstance and be just perfecting the gift in a different situational type of scenario.

00;17;44;17 – 00;18;28;20
Cameron
So I love that and see how that question that oh yes. It’s so kind of to wrap up, I mean, we can keep going. But I think this is like my final question that I’ve been really led recently to to experience the temple differently. I was been serving as a temple worker this year and spiritual Gifts has just been at the forefront of my mind, much like I don’t even know where I was going on that little tangent.

00;18;28;20 – 00;19;13;20
Cameron
But with the Temple being a a sandbox or a playground of sorts to receive and experiment with and receive knowledge for the spiritual gifts that we are commanded to seek the face of the Lord and to learn how to part the veil and how to receive Him into our own lives. But I feel that a big part of that that I was ignoring or didn’t have a foundation for was that it is a place where he is giving us spiritual gifts in order for us to learn of him better and and learn to come into his presence.

00;19;13;20 – 00;19;38;06
Cameron
And so it’s been such a fun journey. So many different spiritual gifts have come to me in the moment, or as I’m pondering on certain things, as I’m working through my shift and seeing other people and my whole temple experience has transformed into this new thing of like, yes, I’m there for for for proxy work as a worker.

00;19;38;06 – 00;20;00;04
Cameron
I’m there to help patrons in their process. But I’m also there to learn about spiritual gifts and how they work. For me personally and kind of play with them, experiment with them, and then come home and really put them into practice. And so I don’t know, have you.

00;20;00;05 – 00;20;01;01
Wendy
And I love that.

00;20;01;13 – 00;20;26;10
Cameron
Experience any less he experienced. That’s not the right word that I’m looking for. But what role does the temple have for spiritual gifts to you? Like we talked about earlier when you were pondering upon that with the endocrine and nervous system, like what role does the temple have in your spiritual gift process? I guess is my question straight?

00;20;26;11 – 00;20;59;12
Wendy
It’s a good question. Sometimes I don’t go there learning to like as a as a safe place to investigate it. I love that. I think that’s fabulous. I’ve gone there seeking for blessings of of healing and for knowledge to know what to ask for, do and and received help on those things. Some yeah, some really amazing knowledge I received once when I was having a bad flare.

00;20;59;27 – 00;21;29;03
Wendy
But yeah, it was a vision of, of not sort. So it was a vision. My only real big one in the temple. But it’s, it’s a safe place for sure. And I think that’s a really great place to think of it. And building spiritual gifts as far as as using the gift of healing specifically or being a gift of being healed.

00;21;29;03 – 00;21;49;03
Wendy
Okay, let’s see. Well, let’s start with the gift of healing. Sometimes I’ll go and as I’m a my heart’s open, I’m not going for myself like you’re saying, you know, if you’re going for other people, this will happen where sometimes I’ll be looking at a worker in their eyes, like an injury especially. And I will just almost just know what like.

00;21;49;26 – 00;22;09;10
Wendy
Like praying for their heart about something. I know it’s weird, right? But. And I just. I still feel some some pain and not know why, but in just praying for them or feel a connection somehow. And, you know, so then we’re both starting to cry at the exact same time. Like there’s, you know, things happen. I’m like, I know I’m connecting.

00;22;09;14 – 00;22;32;25
Wendy
I know the Lord’s asking me to do a work, but I even feel that with people be beyond the veil, especially if I’m bringing my own names, that I’ll be praying for them. Is there anything that I, I can pray for, for them, for their their healing or, you know, any? And so sometimes something will come to my mind in that regard as well for myself to be healed.

00;22;34;15 – 00;23;05;03
Wendy
I have not well, you know, I go to be healed sometimes and to receive that knowledge. There’s there’s been times that that I just can’t think of any specifics. But yeah. Wonder is so wonderful to think of it as a playground of sorts as children. We’re just, we’re playing with the sickness, you know, and it’s okay. Like we’re, we’ve got to figure them out, which takes play, it takes observation, it takes understanding the limits and the, the parameters and the bounds and conditions.

00;23;05;03 – 00;23;23;24
Wendy
What what is the laws of this kingdom, right. That that you’re that that is and it’s okay to play with in that and experiment it like in, you know, a science class. You’ve got to test the condition. You got to see what happens. Right? And so I love how that and that’s a wonderful playground for that. So it’s good.

00;23;23;24 – 00;23;51;14
Cameron
Analogy to a perfect place where we have I mean, if we’ve prepared ourselves sufficiently for the temple, we’ve we’re leaving the world behind and entering a safe place. It’s the gate. It’s the place where heaven and earth come together. And we are rubbing shoulders. I guess, with with angels and spiritual beings who can teach us and revelation and flow more, more freely and stuff.

00;23;51;14 – 00;24;15;14
Cameron
But oh, man. And also kind of a attendant to that of being able to recognize other people that are they’re also learning about their spiritual gifts and it’s like, Oh, I get what you’re doing now. Like I 92 years ago, I would have been like, Oh, that’s a kooky person, but, but now I’m like, Oh, I get I totally get what you’re doing.

00;24;15;23 – 00;24;16;23
Cameron
But I have had some of.

00;24;17;13 – 00;24;17;19
Wendy
Most.

00;24;17;28 – 00;24;48;14
Cameron
Profound experiences as of late in the Temple. And President Nelson’s words just keep echoing in my mind, you know, like the rate at which we’re building temples and everything is it’s just amazing. And how grateful he is for the technology that the Lord is is giving us to get these to the people so that we can be there because the building of temples won’t change your life, but your time in them will end.

00;24;48;14 – 00;25;10;06
Cameron
And I finally realized that I’m sure it’s in a small measure to what it actually will will amount to become. But oh, I mean, we are there to be saviors on Mount Zion and that has a ton of implications. Just wasn’t even considering before. It’s so fun. Oh.

00;25;10;22 – 00;25;12;23
Wendy
Thank you for that testimony. Yes.

00;25;13;24 – 00;25;20;29
Cameron
So any final thoughts, stories or comments that you wanted to add before we head out? It’s been such a fun one because.

00;25;21;12 – 00;25;22;14
Wendy
It’s just so sad.

00;25;22;14 – 00;25;27;12
Cameron
You’re scared to like talk about some of these things sometimes. And so it’s just unload.

00;25;28;01 – 00;25;51;04
Wendy
Does a I hope it feel like people like it gives people permission, like it’s I think we’re way too scared and Satan wants us to feel scared about it, like we might be deceived. But really, if our hearts are the right place, if our desire and we’re like on on the runway of of of the the gospel, then then the Lord will will take care of us.

00;25;51;12 – 00;26;25;10
Wendy
Mm hmm. Learn doctrine. Learn your doctrine. Learn the covenants that you’ve made. And and sometimes we receive covet commandments because of the gifts that we have that are even deeper levels of the covenants that we make in the temple. They get deeper and deeper as we go around and a little. It’s kind of like a spiral staircase in some ways, and you’re going through and then understanding more and receiving the Lord more, and then you go back around and but anyway, it’s it’s okay if you have commandments to, to do that, maybe somebody else doesn’t.

00;26;25;22 – 00;26;44;24
Wendy
That’s because you are called up to a work that they’re not. And that’s okay. Like you don’t need to be validated by anybody else. If the Lord told you to do something, then have faith in him that that you’ll, you’ll find the truth in the Scriptures. You’ll find ask them for witnesses. I do that all the time. Can I have a witness on this?

00;26;45;07 – 00;27;00;11
Wendy
Can I have a second witness? This kind of a third witness? I’ve asked for so many witnesses like, is this really what you want me to do? You help me understand this. And he does. And it’s okay if you fall off. You didn’t lose the guests. That’s the one thing that he’s taught me. It’s like, it’s okay if you’re called to this.

00;27;00;12 – 00;27;15;04
Wendy
It’s your life’s mission. If it’s something you need to do, just get back on. Just get back on the bike and and go again. He will he will help you. And it’s just part of the process. That’s what I’ve learned. So I hope that helps somebody.

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Cameron
Mm hmm. Yeah, right. You know, bear testimony of that. Amen.

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Wendy
Yes. So in Jesus’s name, it’s it’s his work. So we we testify that he is the master healer.

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Cameron
Yes. Well, thank you, Wendy, for an awesome conversation. I love it. I hope it helps other people. And yeah, we look forward to your future guests and ideas and sharing as we.

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Wendy
Yeah, Michel.

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Cameron
Navigate some of these spiritual gifts. It’s the ongoing restoration. We have so much to look forward to and it’s time like we got to get on it. I love it.

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Wendy
Thank you, Cameron.

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Cameron
Yeah, thank you.

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Cameron
Hello everyone. We are back for another episode of Spiritual Gifts. And today we have Sabrina with us who we’re going to be talking about the the gift to be healed and her journey in this gift and and how it works and how she’s experienced it because everyone experiences the spiritual gifts differently. And so keep in mind that this is very unique to Sabrina and it’s just a a a casual conversation between friends that we can learn how each other’s gifts work can and get ideas and insights into how God can, can work with us personally.

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Cameron
So so thank you, Serena, for giving up some of your time and helping us through this.

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Serena
I’m excited.

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Cameron
So with the gift to be healed, I find that it it’s probably one of the more inconspicuous gifts or the one that we just kind of gloss over. We all want it like we all want to be healed. Right? But the fact that it is more elusive or we don’t know what the requirements are, what the price tag on this gift might look like, or if it’s just freely given.

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Cameron
And so today I really want to talk and hear your story of how you have sought healing in your own life. So walk me through kind of where this all started for you. Was there a a rock bottom type of thing that you hit in order to say I want to be healed? Or how did that process work for you?

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Serena
So since I was 13.

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Serena
I became.

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Serena
I have had and gone through a lot of health.

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Serena
Experiences, lots of how emergencies.

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Serena
I’ve had some heart attacks and.

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Serena
I’m only 36 right now, but I’ve had some heart.

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Serena
Attacks. I was in a car.

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Serena
Accident and it really messed up my neck and my back.

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Serena
And so I’ve become like, I can still walk, but there’s times that I’m wheelchair bound or I can’t. I’m not very mobile, still, to this.

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Serena
Day.

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Serena
And about a couple of years ago, right, whenever the worst COVID came out and.

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Serena
The world changed, pandemic hit.

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Serena
I stayed in my home for several months.

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Serena
Because I knew I didn’t have good amenities.

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Serena
One day stay away from me, really didn’t want to experience that. I did everything that they suggested it and just really just set down my family. And it really took a toll on us.

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Serena
I mean, you.

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Serena
Shut down going out into public and that really.

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Serena
Takes a toll on you.

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Serena
So me and my daughter.

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Serena
She became homeschooled because that’s what happened here in West Texas.

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Serena
And we would just go out and go drive by. And anybody who was out in the road, we’d go in and wave hi like we needed outside.

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Serena
Communication, but we stayed.

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Serena
Away from everybody. Like we had no no contact with anybody. Okay? Did everything that the doctor said, months, months went by and my husband.

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Serena
Became switched work and became a frontline worker.

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Serena
I’m not for sure if that’s what happened, but somehow, after all of the time of all the strict at home, I end up getting COVID and it.

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Serena
Almost killed me. Ended me up in the ICU. I was extremely sick and in Texas they had just shut.

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Serena
Down the fact.

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Serena
That you like you couldn’t.

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Serena
Go to another hospital because there was no area to get you to another hospital. So I ended up getting really sick. I knew I was sick. My mom had gone into the hospital and then.

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Serena
I was like, finally, I can like relax and heal. I’ll be okay.

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Serena
And I thought I was going to be okay at home.

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Serena
Next thing I know, my health takes a.

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Serena
Really bad turn. And I was dying.

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Serena
I mean, it was it was pretty bad.

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Serena
I go into the hospital and I just.

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Serena
Remember the doctor coming in and telling me, he’s like, I’m going to try my best, but are you okay.

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Serena
And approve on the fact.

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Serena
If you need to be on a ventilator.

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Serena
And I lost it. I was like, wait a second. No. Like, I.

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Serena
Just couldn’t believe that I was at that.

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Serena
Moment.

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Serena
And he’s like, We’re going to try our best. But you’re at a very small hospital and you are extremely high risk. And I honestly was terrified.

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Serena
I probably at that point was like, okay.

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Serena
There’s no more saving me. Like, it’s my time.

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Serena
And I have one daughter, husband, you know.

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Serena
Love so many people. So many people loved me.

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Serena
Honestly, I’m pretty blessed to have so.

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Serena
Many people love me and.

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Serena
I.

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Serena
Just remember really saying, okay.

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Serena
I’ve hit rock bottom so I get COVID and the doctor tells me that. And I probably for.

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Serena
The first time in my life experience, the fact that I was like, I can’t control this anymore cause I in a lot of ways, I need to be in control of stuff like, okay.

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Serena
You know, if you’re going down the.

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Serena
Road and you’re really.

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Serena
Good driver, then you probably won’t get it. And actually, I’m that kind of person.

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Serena
I just.

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Serena
Watch.

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Serena
For anything that possibly can go wrong.

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Serena
And I tried to to do that and so I handed.

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Serena
It over to Heavenly Father for the first time and experienced.

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Serena
That.

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Serena
Which was probably a gift as well. And I was like, Okay, Heavenly Father.

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Serena
I know that you.

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Serena
Don’t want me to live like this anymore.

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Serena
And I’ve already hit rock bottom. This is sick.

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Serena
So if it’s your your if it’s your will for me to live.

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Serena
Help me do that. So I ended.

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Serena
Up making it through and.

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Serena
I went home a.

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Serena
Couple of months later. COVID had affected my heart.

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Serena
And I ended up.

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Serena
With a heart attack.

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Serena
Again. And so this was.

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Serena
Like my third heart attack. And they went in, they fixed it and and.

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Serena
I was okay. I made it out of the operation. Okay. And then so this was all right after COVID.

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Serena
It affects my heart. It affects my lungs.

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Serena
And then I thought they had put.

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Serena
In a faulty piece into my heart because.

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Serena
I couldn’t stand up and I didn’t know what was wrong.

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Serena
And one day I stood up to get to the restroom and I couldn’t physically get up on my own. And so my daughter was home because everybody was homebound still. And I had to call her to help me go to the restroom. And I was like, There’s something wrong. Like I really felt like something was wrong. So I ended up going back to all these specialists and they did all these tests and they said everything was fine, that I was probably just healing.

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Serena
Still from COVID.

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Serena
But.

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Serena
I continue to get sicker and sicker. And at that point I remember reading my scriptures and just diving in and saying, Heavenly Father, like the Scriptures says that in order to have joy and I don’t.

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Serena
Feel joy, like what is joy is about having to have my little girl help.

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Serena
Me get to something to take care of myself at 36, I was like, What is Joy? So I was like.

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Serena
35 at the time. What is joyous about this? I was like, I can be I’m in bed. I have to like lay.

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Serena
Down to even read anything. I don’t even cook for my family. I’m not taking care of my family. What is joyous about this? And I remember asking him.

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Serena
I was like, Tell me what is this? And I decided I needed to start really praying about this.

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Serena
The first thing that happened was I was started to be.

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Serena
Guided to a friend of.

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Serena
Mine who herself she was teaching herself how to be a healer. And the very first thing was.

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Serena
She went down a list.

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Serena
Of foods that I could eat and I could.

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Serena
Eat. And I had developed a very, very bad, highly sensitive allergy now to the pork. And I remember.

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Serena
Praying and really just say, okay, this is going to be guided by God. He told.

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Serena
Me, I got to have.

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Serena
Joy and I’m going to have joy. And this is like the first step. And someone’s like, Oh, I don’t know how you don’t eat bread. I don’t know how you don’t eat just all this candy and stuff.

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Serena
And I was like, You hit rock bottom and I.

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Serena
Promise you, everything you stick in your mouth.

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Serena
After that, you will want to know, is it going to bring you joy or not? And I.

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Serena
Still have.

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Serena
A.

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Serena
Far.

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Serena
Like a far.

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Serena
Journey to really get to where I maybe don’t even crave stuff like that anymore because there is still things that they crave. You know, still I’m still willing to eat some sugar if I get an opportunity, you know.

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Serena
But I started being guided to this and as I.

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Serena
Started growing, it was about seven days before I realized.

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Serena
That I was really on to something, cause that’s how much of a.

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Serena
Drastic change this eating no pork did for me.

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Serena
And it’s just been it has been up and up and up ever since. Like, I feel like that was my rock bottom. That was my why I.

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Serena
Was looking for joy and peace.

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Serena
In my life. And I got it started on that.

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Serena
And that’s been kind of what has guided me ever since.

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Serena
So it’s been.

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Serena
It’s.

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Serena
Been a.

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Serena
Very interesting journey. But that’s that’s pretty much like.

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Serena
The, the.

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Serena
Main gist of it, you.

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Serena
Know.

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Cameron
Yeah, for sure. I, I find that that’s a pretty common thread with, with most spiritual kids is that, that there is a catalyst or a rock bottom, that that really helps pull from within us a yearning or pleading with the Lord because that’s where he can start manifesting his power through. And, and to us in those moments of desperation when, when we finally realize, I can’t do this anymore on my own, like I can’t, I’m not in control.

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Cameron
And, and you just give it over to the Lord. I think that that is a huge catalyst for many of the spiritual gifts. And so I love that experience of yours. I mean, I don’t love that you hit rock bottom, but.

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Serena
I guess we all have have some.

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Serena
Kind of rock bottom, though, really.

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Serena
Especially for something like this. I think that in order to really have that desire to heal or have that remembrance of, hey, heavenly Father has this out there for you, you do have to hit rock bottom. It looks different for everybody. You don’t have to be on your deathbed kind of thing. It could just be like, I am tired of and frustrated and this and this is my done, you know, I’m stuck.

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Serena
I don’t have any guidance, whatever it is. But for me it definitely had.

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Serena
To look like that because every time that I am.

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Serena
Faced with a decision now, like it’s super easy for me to know what my decision is. Easy, easy.

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Serena
And I probably wouldn’t have ever gotten there had I not had all of that guidance, all of that direction.

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Serena
And then.

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Serena
Like we’re talking about that, that rock bottom, you know, you have to get there.

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Cameron
Mm hmm. Yeah. So let’s talk about all of the different ways in which the Lord has helped you through what things has he sent to you in in this process? You mentioned this friend of yours that helped heal. Also, when we were talking earlier about the gift of dreams and how that process works in the revelation. So let’s spend a few minutes on the the good, positive things that are coming from the Lord in this this journey.

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Cameron
And then we’ll we’ll turn it on its head and and kind of go for the negative and and overcome that negative.

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Serena
Okay. So for me personally, whenever I first started, I would say the desire he gave me, the desire.

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Serena
To want, and I had to have that to.

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Serena
Start.

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Serena
You know, I mean, you have to hit that rock bottom.

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Serena
You have to say, okay, this is your turning point. So I had a desire.

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Serena
Then I started.

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Serena
Having.

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Serena
Guidance.

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Serena
Like for me personally, the way.

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Serena
That a lot of my.

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Serena
Prayers are answered, it comes in a dream and it’s kind of like a little experience, a snippet of something. And usually it’s my very own thoughts answering my question like, Hey, why is this going on?

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Serena
And then I.

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Serena
Answer my question. And so for me, I kind of had a couple of dreams that guided me.

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Serena
To what to do.

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Serena
And then I started just noticing these little things I call them.

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Serena
It’s a God thing.

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Serena
You know, like a Heavenly Father thing. You, you have no explanation how it happened, where where it came up, Facebook, stranger walking.

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Serena
Down the road, whatever it is, I’ve had a couple of those in my life and there was definitely a little bit of that. One of the.

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Serena
Responses is from somebody on the Facebook chat is one of the therapies that I’m now involved in. My friend, she was ironically going through training herself to do energy healing. She’s been a huge.

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Serena
Part.

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Serena
In my in my healing. And then through this therapy that I’m going through, it means like a therapy slash life coach.

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Serena
She has.

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Serena
Her very own program that.

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Serena
I subscribe.

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Serena
To.

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Serena
But what she does is.

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Serena
She had people that were energy healers.

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Serena
And guide, you know, guiding that. And then part of one of the groups that I met you in is also this other lady.

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Serena
And honestly, I have no idea.

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Serena
How the heck.

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Serena
I got in contact with her. I know it was on Facebook randomly, probably something that I participated on. She commented, I asked her question and she has been she has been just an amazing like cheerleader kind of thing. And then you don’t really think that cheerleaders are important in your life?

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Serena
You know, I kind of kind of one of.

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Serena
Those things that, you know, when you’re little, you’re like, oh, whatever. She was a cheerleader. But I will tell you, it is super important to.

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Serena
Have as an.

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Serena
Adult a cheerleader record, a support system, your support circle.

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Serena
And that has been.

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Serena
Just an amazing thing as I have shifted how I’m thinking, as I’ve shifted.

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Serena
What.

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Serena
I’m doing, who I participate with, where I put myself and my family, I have gotten these just these different people.

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Serena
That are on.

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Serena
The same kind of journey as myself. Maybe not an emotional feeling, but maybe a spiritual awakening kind of seeing that they’re on.

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Serena
And it’s all been guided by God. And I feel like they have come into my life.

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Serena
And in part because they’ve been in my life, that is the emotional support I’ve needed because.

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Serena
I will.

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Serena
Tell you and I can testify to anybody who wants to hear blue in the face. You will need a support system.

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Serena
Healing and like the desire is.

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Serena
Just a very first step. By healing is no joke.

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Serena
The this.

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Serena
Journey.

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Serena
Is not it’s not for the.

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Serena
Faint of heart. You’re going to need people to really cheer you on. And I feel like that has been guided by God as well. And I’ve just been so blessed to really see that.

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Serena
Happen in my life where I now.

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Serena
Have all these people who.

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Serena
You know, they’re like, Oh.

00:14:44:16 – 00:14:53:22
Serena
You can do this. And I’m like, You’re even know me from get go. And they’re like, Oh, all right. They can tell you all the good things about you. You know, you can’t even list, but they can.

00:14:54:08 – 00:14:58:06
Serena
And so, so yeah, that’s been very guided.

00:14:58:06 – 00:15:01:02
Serena
I think that’s been very blessed by Heavenly Father.

00:15:01:02 – 00:15:03:06
Serena
And those are a lot of the a.

00:15:03:06 – 00:15:08:07
Serena
Lot of the good things like Revelation in Dreams, the support system that you need.

00:15:08:21 – 00:15:10:06
Serena
The knowledge.

00:15:10:06 – 00:15:12:09
Serena
The testimony that you’re going to need.

00:15:13:08 – 00:15:16:08
Serena
The guidance in the scriptures. Like sometimes it’s something.

00:15:16:08 – 00:15:23:09
Serena
That somebody says just randomly in your life or you’re kind of guided to what you need to find it.

00:15:23:22 – 00:15:24:12
Serena
You have to be.

00:15:24:12 – 00:15:28:02
Serena
Open to it, but it’s going to be there. And so it’s been very interesting and.

00:15:28:13 – 00:15:29:01
Serena
Just eye.

00:15:29:01 – 00:15:30:14
Serena
Opening to see all that.

00:15:32:04 – 00:15:58:22
Cameron
Yeah, I’ve had very similar experiences and I think that that is a huge one that we we often kind of take for granted the, the spiritual gift of cheerleading and and we have some of those cheerleaders in our life that support group. And because Satan really tries to, to pull us away from from the rest of the flock, from the rest of the herd and try to isolate us.

00:15:58:22 – 00:16:08:17
Cameron
But when we can be around like minded people who are also seeking God, then it it just makes it so much easier and bearable.

00:16:09:24 – 00:16:11:19
Serena
It’s just a side note. Like.

00:16:12:06 – 00:16:17:03
Serena
I remember my friends saying, you know, I hear as you’re hearing.

00:16:17:17 – 00:16:28:19
Serena
Just be careful if you’re, you know, a mother and a wife, because unexpectedly you can come up pregnant. And I remember being like really.

00:16:28:19 – 00:16:30:24
Serena
Like my kid is 12 years old.

00:16:31:13 – 00:16:35:15
Serena
And like, I’ve been told by every doctor, I will never have another child.

00:16:36:06 – 00:16:38:04
Serena
And after 12 years.

00:16:38:14 – 00:16:40:05
Serena
I have a little one now.

00:16:40:20 – 00:16:42:06
Serena
And it’s been for.

00:16:42:06 – 00:16:43:23
Serena
Eight. I mean, that’s probably.

00:16:43:23 – 00:16:45:14
Serena
The most biggest testimony.

00:16:46:05 – 00:16:59:01
Serena
Of my feeling is that after 12 years of my body being, you know, what the doctors consider imperfect or broken or whatever, like if God has a purpose for you, there’s nothing that can stop it.

00:16:59:19 – 00:17:00:15
Serena
And so it’s.

00:17:00:15 – 00:17:11:24
Serena
Just I’m not completely healed that I still have a ways to go. But when I look into my little babies eyes, like, I’m like, you know, Heavenly Father had a.

00:17:11:24 – 00:17:13:14
Serena
Complete different plan than.

00:17:13:14 – 00:17:13:24
Serena
What any.

00:17:13:24 – 00:17:15:03
Serena
Doctor can say.

00:17:15:14 – 00:17:29:03
Serena
And I know I can testify that it was because I became on this journey that the one thing that I, you know, thought and wanted for a long time, 12 years to be exact, was able to happen.

00:17:29:03 – 00:18:08:11
Cameron
So it’s amazing turning on. On the flip side, you know, any time that that we are seeking God, Satan’s going to be right there trying to thwart us and deceive us in lots of different ways. So how have you been able to navigate that throughout this process? In what ways, if it’s not too personal, have you been attacked too or you know, as we dove into whether it’s energy work or different kind of healing from from past traumas, etc., Satan, I find does a number on us.

00:18:08:11 – 00:18:20:23
Cameron
And so what ways have you found to to combat that as you’ve experienced it and as it’s come up and stay in light, as you are going through this healing journey?

00:18:20:23 – 00:18:29:19
Serena
So I’m going to kind of list like some of the things that have happened because you have to kind of like say that before you can say like how.

00:18:29:19 – 00:18:30:00
Serena
You.

00:18:30:10 – 00:18:46:21
Serena
Handled it. But one of the things that I’ve noticed is like just a deep down, like depression, like the negative thoughts, you know, that has had, I think a bringing out but bringing to light like, oh.

00:18:46:21 – 00:18:47:11
Serena
You think you’re.

00:18:47:11 – 00:18:49:03
Serena
Perfect or or you.

00:18:49:03 – 00:18:50:04
Serena
Think this you think.

00:18:50:04 – 00:18:52:04
Serena
That that’s come.

00:18:52:04 – 00:18:52:13
Serena
Up.

00:18:52:24 – 00:19:32:01
Serena
Feeling very, very alone, very secluded. Yeah, I want to change, but like, why? Why, you know, why do you have that desire to change kind of thing? So discouragement has happened and then influences of other people who are in my life. Like I just noticed, like lots of trials, lots of like I’m not even kidding in the last couple of months, like my washer, my dryer, my hot water heater to air conditioners, my car, all of they have like broken down, like any kind of burden that you can have kind of seems to, like, come out.

00:19:32:01 – 00:19:38:19
Serena
And I’m not saying that Satan has all this power, like over everything that happens in our life, but I think.

00:19:39:01 – 00:19:40:00
Serena
Maybe it’s just.

00:19:40:00 – 00:19:52:06
Serena
Like life’s instances. But with that comes like, oh my goodness, what am I doing wrong? You know, like, why all of a sudden am I going through all this? You know? Oh, it’s.

00:19:52:06 – 00:19:54:22
Serena
Because you’re doing something wrong. Are you sure you’re being faithful?

00:19:54:22 – 00:19:57:16
Serena
Like all of that comes out? And then.

00:19:57:16 – 00:19:58:09
Serena
I think also.

00:19:58:20 – 00:20:27:15
Serena
Influences others. Maybe others actions too, of course. Get you down and and they distract you from what your goals are. So I’ve experienced a lot of that. I’ve I’ve felt a lot of like negativity in in ways that I had never in my entire life felt ever. And now all of a sudden that felt that. And so when I started kind of having my eyes opened to the fact that, hey, Satan is going to attack you say wants.

00:20:27:15 – 00:20:34:14
Serena
To win you over. So when your family, he wants to win your family unit, your kids, he wants to win you like.

00:20:34:14 – 00:20:41:16
Serena
He wants to get to you. When I started noticing that I had to become aware of that because honestly.

00:20:41:16 – 00:20:43:11
Serena
In my 36 years, I had never.

00:20:43:11 – 00:20:44:16
Serena
Experienced that, not on this.

00:20:44:16 – 00:20:45:00
Serena
Level.

00:20:45:10 – 00:21:08:24
Serena
So then I started saying, Well, what is the opposite of that? And part of my support system went back to talking to people who have positive, positive positivity in their life, but also realizing it, which through experience I’ve realized you don’t talk to just anybody about your problems, like you have to go to somebody who is not stuck in a negative mindset.

00:21:08:24 – 00:21:10:23
Serena
Because then they’re just going to bring you more down.

00:21:11:08 – 00:21:13:20
Serena
Guess what? Satan’s going to talk to you. That’s how it is.

00:21:14:02 – 00:21:15:18
Serena
But let’s go ahead and continue being.

00:21:16:06 – 00:21:23:17
Serena
You know, Denver down or whatever. And so going to the right support system. That has.

00:21:23:17 – 00:21:24:12
Serena
Been huge.

00:21:25:08 – 00:21:35:10
Serena
Scriptures. I have done scriptures and then I have also done just like on play general conference talks like that voters, those voices across the board.

00:21:36:00 – 00:21:37:20
Serena
They bring you peace. They’re just their.

00:21:37:20 – 00:21:38:22
Serena
Voice, the tone of their.

00:21:38:22 – 00:21:39:09
Serena
Voice.

00:21:39:18 – 00:21:44:19
Serena
But I did also experience at one time when I was really trying to find like.

00:21:45:06 – 00:21:45:21
Serena
This peace.

00:21:45:21 – 00:21:49:16
Serena
And this calm in my K certainly you can’t do it all like right now.

00:21:49:16 – 00:21:53:04
Serena
You’re healing. You just had a baby. You know, you’re going through this.

00:21:53:23 – 00:22:02:00
Serena
And so I had a general conference on replay and some of the talks were like, Oh, no, like, you’re supposed to be doing this thing.

00:22:02:00 – 00:22:03:06
Serena
You’re supposed to be doing that.

00:22:03:15 – 00:22:11:05
Serena
And my brain and my thoughts went negative right away. Next thing I know, I’m like, Well, why aren’t you handling.

00:22:11:05 – 00:22:12:21
Serena
All these things? Why aren’t you doing more?

00:22:12:21 – 00:22:16:00
Serena
You’re supposed to serve. You’re supposed to this, you’re supposed to that.

00:22:16:00 – 00:22:18:21
Serena
And again, my brain waves direction.

00:22:19:05 – 00:22:24:02
Serena
And so then I reached out to somebody. I was like, I just don’t feel positive. I’m not feeling a.

00:22:24:02 – 00:22:26:15
Serena
Peace right now. And it’s supposed to be uplifting, you know?

00:22:27:09 – 00:22:44:24
Serena
And I was reminded and was able to put my brain somewhere else and and was able to be calm and calmed down, I guess you could say that you can’t do it all at every moment of your life. And they kind of help me.

00:22:44:24 – 00:22:45:09
Serena
To see.

00:22:45:09 – 00:22:46:20
Serena
Right now you’re you’re.

00:22:46:20 – 00:22:47:22
Serena
Calling your.

00:22:48:18 – 00:22:59:07
Serena
Job or however you want to put that title on you. Right now, it’s to stay focused on what is going on in your life. And there’ll be a time when, after.

00:22:59:07 – 00:23:00:08
Serena
You’re healed or.

00:23:00:15 – 00:23:02:22
Serena
When you’re better. And this is not a trial.

00:23:02:22 – 00:23:03:18
Serena
That you’re facing.

00:23:04:05 – 00:23:05:12
Serena
There’ll be a time when.

00:23:05:19 – 00:23:06:18
Serena
Serving and doing.

00:23:06:18 – 00:23:07:07
Serena
That is.

00:23:07:07 – 00:23:13:10
Serena
Appropriate. And so I think having that support system scriptures.

00:23:14:05 – 00:23:19:09
Serena
And then through my support system and through some of the counseling that I have had, one of the.

00:23:19:09 – 00:23:24:18
Serena
Best things that has worked for me is called The Book of Proof. Everything positive that you do.

00:23:25:05 – 00:23:32:14
Serena
You write down in there and you write down these experiences so that when your brain goes to that negative spot, you have something to go back.

00:23:32:14 – 00:23:32:23
Serena
To.

00:23:33:09 – 00:23:41:18
Serena
And really read and say, Hey, I made it through this. Like, that was a hellish moment. Like I was going through hell and look, I made it back.

00:23:41:18 – 00:23:44:07
Serena
Already, and so I have it in me to make it.

00:23:44:07 – 00:23:46:04
Serena
Again or I have the knowledge.

00:23:46:04 – 00:23:50:04
Serena
Look at that experience. You made it. Look how amazing this is. This was a good experience.

00:23:50:15 – 00:24:14:01
Serena
Look what this person said. Like you write down positive comments that people tell you. You write down these triumphant moments, these moments where you have overcome, overcome these weaknesses. You write it down so that when you’re in your your moments back down at the bottom again, you have something to turn to and read. And that’s probably been one of my biggest.

00:24:14:01 – 00:24:14:23
Serena
Things, because.

00:24:15:07 – 00:24:16:05
Serena
Our brain wants.

00:24:16:05 – 00:24:17:04
Serena
Proof of anything.

00:24:17:08 – 00:24:19:22
Serena
Whether it’s to be right for this or whether.

00:24:19:22 – 00:24:22:04
Serena
It’s to be right for the other our brain wants for.

00:24:22:12 – 00:24:24:11
Serena
And so as I’ve learned that and.

00:24:24:11 – 00:24:26:18
Serena
Writing those things down, that’s been huge for me.

00:24:27:03 – 00:24:31:01
Serena
Because I can go back and say, you know, I really am.

00:24:31:02 – 00:24:34:10
Serena
So grateful for this one friend. And this friend.

00:24:34:10 – 00:24:35:21
Serena
Said this about me and I had.

00:24:35:21 – 00:24:38:18
Serena
This experience. And this is a triumph moment in.

00:24:38:18 – 00:24:39:12
Serena
So that’s been.

00:24:39:12 – 00:24:39:23
Serena
Huge.

00:24:39:23 – 00:24:41:22
Serena
To be able to have that. And I think all of.

00:24:41:22 – 00:24:44:06
Serena
Those things have helped me to.

00:24:44:14 – 00:24:49:05
Serena
Handle when Satan is attacking me and that has been very real. That’s been something that.

00:24:49:17 – 00:24:53:07
Serena
Is huge with this whole journey. It’s been pretty.

00:24:53:07 – 00:25:03:18
Serena
Powerful. The stuff that has happened in the negative connotation. But because it’s been so negative, you can say it’s been so positive as well. You know.

00:25:04:09 – 00:25:05:05
Serena
It’s pretty big.

00:25:05:05 – 00:25:29:21
Cameron
So yeah, I love that because it does seem like it’s equal but opposite that the forces of good and evil in our lives as we are striving for more than Satan’s on, on the attack. And, and sometimes when we’re at that, that breaking point, the rock bottom, then then that’s where the light can really flood in. But there’s always a a good and evil aspect.

00:25:29:22 – 00:26:12:11
Cameron
And and they’re always they seem to be on par. It’s nothing that you can escape sometimes I find, at least in my journey and with others that I’ve talked to, that sometimes we look at spiritual gifts as if are graduations and and further, further out of Satan’s grasp. When I find that nothing could be further from the truth, because they’re given to us to help us in our battles with the adversary and to help us distinguish good and evil and to to hear him, you know, like President Nelson has has admonished us to to to to gain that ability.

00:26:13:06 – 00:26:41:24
Cameron
And so through these processes, I find that that’s how we are being led and tutored in that way. So this is kind of a devil’s advocate question, but, you know, would you trade all of this journey that you’ve been on for a quick fix of just just heal me and I’ll take up my baton walk kind of a thing because some of us desperately want that, right.

00:26:42:07 – 00:26:55:23
Cameron
But I don’t know, would you trade all of it in for for a all encompassing healing, or do you find that there has been joy in the journey looking back?

00:26:57:12 – 00:27:13:24
Serena
Wow, that’s probably one of the hardest questions. Wow. I don’t think I’ve ever thought of it that way, except for in in some ways I have. Okay. So I’m going to.

00:27:13:24 – 00:27:17:18
Serena
Tell a story just because it’s it’s funny and I think it’ll put things in.

00:27:17:18 – 00:27:20:12
Serena
Perspective. But my daughter, who’s 12 now.

00:27:20:20 – 00:27:22:12
Serena
When she was younger a couple of years.

00:27:22:12 – 00:27:27:18
Serena
Back, my husband was in a really pretty serious accident and chopped off part of his hand.

00:27:28:05 – 00:27:33:24
Serena
And he’s a carpenter. And so he uses his hands. And it was huge. It was huge for our family.

00:27:33:24 – 00:27:35:21
Serena
And we were just freaking out.

00:27:35:21 – 00:27:36:05
Serena
And.

00:27:36:17 – 00:27:40:22
Serena
Just all together. And so here I have my little daughter falls apart.

00:27:40:22 – 00:27:43:00
Serena
She’s like seven or eight and she’s like, Mom.

00:27:43:08 – 00:28:00:21
Serena
I didn’t want this for my dad and I didn’t know what to say. I really was just kind of like, she’s like, I don’t want this. I want Heavenly Father to take it away and hand it to somebody else. This is a bear. And as I was thinking about it, like, I really didn’t know how to handle this.

00:28:00:21 – 00:28:12:05
Serena
And then I was just kind of guided. It just kind of came out. But I said, Well, let’s go ahead and go down the list of everybody we know and we’re going to decide who would hand this over to because somebody.

00:28:12:05 – 00:28:16:20
Serena
Has to experience this. And she goes, What? And I said, Do you want it your your.

00:28:16:22 – 00:28:19:17
Serena
Aunt to have this? And so we went down all.

00:28:19:17 – 00:28:22:11
Serena
Her fears or her aunts, uncles.

00:28:22:18 – 00:28:25:04
Serena
All her cousins, my mom.

00:28:25:04 – 00:28:26:21
Serena
Me, her.

00:28:27:00 – 00:28:30:02
Serena
Like we just went through everybody that was in our close family.

00:28:30:02 – 00:28:34:18
Serena
And she just stops and she’s like, No, that’s not fair. I don’t want them to deal with.

00:28:35:01 – 00:28:38:12
Serena
I didn’t want that for them. And I said, What do you want to gave it to.

00:28:38:12 – 00:28:41:07
Serena
Your best friend? Like, do you think they could handle it?

00:28:42:00 – 00:28:56:10
Serena
And she’s like, Nope, that’s not going to work. And I said, Well, it already happened. And how many fathers father’s going to have to bless us to handle this. So if it already happened and we’re already handling it, how about we.

00:28:56:10 – 00:28:57:19
Serena
Just we just stay.

00:28:57:19 – 00:29:00:09
Serena
With it and we’re going to handle it as a family and.

00:29:00:09 – 00:29:00:21
Serena
We’re going.

00:29:00:21 – 00:29:04:06
Serena
To pray a lot to Heavenly Father, because he’s going to help us through this trial.

00:29:04:20 – 00:29:09:21
Serena
And so just in her innocence, she’s like, okay, I think that’ll be okay.

00:29:10:09 – 00:29:12:00
Serena
And so then we really started.

00:29:12:00 – 00:29:12:21
Serena
Just focusing.

00:29:12:21 – 00:29:15:24
Serena
On the, the better part of it, like what the blessings.

00:29:15:24 – 00:29:16:05
Serena
Were.

00:29:16:20 – 00:29:35:04
Serena
And any time that I really think of a big, huge trial, I kind of think like, what if I has to give this to somebody else? That’s hard, you know, it’s like, no, I’ll go ahead and handle it. But even though I do like I’m waiting for this complete.

00:29:35:04 – 00:29:35:16
Serena
Healing.

00:29:35:16 – 00:29:36:03
Serena
I am.

00:29:36:03 – 00:29:37:02
Serena
Trusting in Heavenly.

00:29:37:02 – 00:29:51:13
Serena
Father that that’s part of my journey, is that I will eventually get to that. I don’t know that. I don’t think I would be the person that I am and I wouldn’t have the friends that I have and I wouldn’t have been able to change.

00:29:51:13 – 00:29:54:06
Serena
And it would be such a huge thing because if somebody.

00:29:54:06 – 00:29:54:21
Serena
Just handed.

00:29:54:21 – 00:29:59:19
Serena
It to me, then it would be like it wouldn’t have the same meaning anymore. And so.

00:30:00:22 – 00:30:08:22
Serena
You know, I don’t know that. I don’t know that I would want it, you know, like if I was given that choice, goodness, that would be really.

00:30:08:22 – 00:30:11:02
Serena
Tempting to wait.

00:30:11:02 – 00:30:18:10
Serena
For it. But I’ve also already done such hard work and I’ve experienced so much that if I were to.

00:30:18:10 – 00:30:19:08
Serena
Erase that, then.

00:30:19:08 – 00:30:22:09
Serena
Probably not. But if I could say right now you’re going.

00:30:22:09 – 00:30:23:07
Serena
To give me that complete.

00:30:23:07 – 00:30:24:22
Serena
Healing and I don’t have to go through.

00:30:24:22 – 00:30:26:03
Serena
Anything else anymore.

00:30:26:12 – 00:30:42:24
Serena
In that. Then I’d probably be like, Yeah, it’s okay, I can do that. But there has been so many blessings and, and I’m at a spirituality now and a knowledge now that I didn’t get just because someone handed it to me. I got it because I had to work.

00:30:42:24 – 00:30:43:21
Serena
Really hard for it.

00:30:44:12 – 00:30:54:02
Serena
And so in that aspect, really, I guess I probably wouldn’t, you know, I would say, no, I don’t want to take that away because then I’d be really naive at that point I.

00:30:54:02 – 00:30:54:21
Serena
Was before.

00:30:54:21 – 00:30:57:14
Serena
You know, and I’ve been so blessed.

00:30:57:14 – 00:30:58:03
Serena
To be so.

00:30:58:03 – 00:30:58:17
Serena
Guided.

00:30:58:17 – 00:31:01:14
Serena
And, and meet so many wonderful people.

00:31:01:14 – 00:31:13:02
Serena
And have so much knowledge. And it’s come from it really has come from all of the all the bad that I’ve had to go through. I mean, there’s definitely been definitely been lots of.

00:31:13:02 – 00:31:17:03
Serena
Blessings because of it. And and spiritual gifts. I mean, I think.

00:31:17:22 – 00:31:20:23
Serena
Back to that, if I do this, if I wasn’t on.

00:31:20:23 – 00:31:22:21
Serena
This journey, this healing journey, then I.

00:31:22:21 – 00:31:33:06
Serena
Wouldn’t have and I wouldn’t be who I am and I wouldn’t have the what I have because of it, you know. So so that’s a tricky one.

00:31:33:06 – 00:31:58:00
Cameron
It’s a hard question, but it’s beautiful. I love them. So we were also talking about the the ripple effect. And so I would just kind of like to end on on that note of what have you seen as the effects from this healing journey that you’ve been on? How have you noticed that it has rippled out to others?

00:31:58:00 – 00:32:04:20
Cameron
And why do you think that is with with our spiritual gifts?

00:32:04:20 – 00:32:06:00
Serena
So, you know.

00:32:06:18 – 00:32:08:04
Serena
This like this healing.

00:32:08:04 – 00:32:11:19
Serena
Path that I’ve been on until today, whenever you really pointed out, like.

00:32:12:02 – 00:32:16:07
Serena
Being open to being able to be healed, the actual spiritual gift.

00:32:16:07 – 00:32:20:05
Serena
I hadn’t really thought of it in that light. And so it kind of.

00:32:20:19 – 00:32:22:12
Serena
Puts a different perspective on things.

00:32:22:12 – 00:32:24:03
Serena
But I know that I.

00:32:24:03 – 00:32:31:20
Serena
Started my healing journey and one of the things that I want is for my future generations to be different.

00:32:31:20 – 00:32:48:18
Serena
Like I do not want my daughter and my son to go through what I had to experience no matter what. Like I would give my life in exchange for that, you know. And so as I’ve been on the healing journey, I’m like, okay, so if I.

00:32:49:07 – 00:32:50:01
Serena
Am changing.

00:32:50:01 – 00:33:05:10
Serena
And that can do all this, then it’s worth it, you know? And that’s what I have noticed is that, is that that’s exactly why I am doing like my husband. He’s an amazing person and I thought he was.

00:33:05:10 – 00:33:06:16
Serena
Pretty spiritual before.

00:33:06:16 – 00:33:07:10
Serena
But as I.

00:33:07:10 – 00:33:08:05
Serena
Have changed.

00:33:08:16 – 00:33:14:01
Serena
At first, there was a lot of contention. Like I noticed Satan kind of attacking that because.

00:33:14:01 – 00:33:14:22
Serena
Of course he doesn’t.

00:33:14:22 – 00:33:16:05
Serena
Want you to be successful in.

00:33:16:05 – 00:33:16:13
Serena
This.

00:33:17:02 – 00:33:22:05
Serena
But I just noticed that as I’ve changed, all of a.

00:33:22:05 – 00:33:39:21
Serena
Sudden he’s like, Oh, we can talk more about that, or, Oh, we can be more open to change, or we can do this. I can be more upfront about things I’ve struggled with or, you know, that kind of thing. And so it has strengthened our marriage. But I haven’t really done anything special.

00:33:40:09 – 00:33:41:18
Serena
And I haven’t been like, Hey.

00:33:41:18 – 00:33:50:13
Serena
Husband, you need a change like that hasn’t been at all. It’s just been me changing. That’s like me being, me being helped, me working.

00:33:50:13 – 00:33:52:00
Serena
On how I.

00:33:52:00 – 00:33:53:17
Serena
Eat differently or me working.

00:33:53:17 – 00:33:56:02
Serena
On what my habits are. How can I be more healthy?

00:33:56:02 – 00:33:57:10
Serena
How can I be more spiritual?

00:33:57:10 – 00:33:59:16
Serena
How can I be more on top of things?

00:33:59:16 – 00:34:02:07
Serena
That’s all it is, is me and concentrating on me.

00:34:03:04 – 00:34:14:22
Serena
And yet my daughter changes her habits. And now I have a little boy, which I probably wouldn’t have had I not been on this journey. So now we have a different household size than my.

00:34:14:22 – 00:34:16:00
Serena
Husband changes.

00:34:16:00 – 00:34:19:04
Serena
Like and then I have my mom in my life. But she’s.

00:34:19:04 – 00:34:20:19
Serena
Starting to change how she was.

00:34:21:03 – 00:34:21:17
Serena
And what she.

00:34:21:17 – 00:34:27:21
Serena
Was working on. And then my sister. And it’s just kind of interesting how like, nobody’s trying to change anybody.

00:34:27:21 – 00:34:34:19
Serena
Like I am not up for changing other people, but yeah, that’s happening naturally, you know?

00:34:34:19 – 00:34:52:02
Serena
And so it’s just interesting. And then like the friendships that you’re around, like the people that you seek out are different. And, and my friends are like, Hey, I noticed the difference about you. And so it’s just interesting how. Just you’re changing and concentrating on you.

00:34:52:07 – 00:34:54:09
Serena
Just so much. And I know that like.

00:34:54:09 – 00:35:01:09
Serena
For my healing friend, she was training herself and she kind of needed somebody to work with.

00:35:01:17 – 00:35:10:13
Serena
And I’m like, Hey, I’m up for it because I will tell you you’re the answer to my prayers. So I know that you’re the person that I need to go to, you know? And so it’s.

00:35:10:13 – 00:35:14:13
Serena
Been interesting because she has been training herself.

00:35:14:17 – 00:35:16:16
Serena
And so, again, she’s working on herself.

00:35:16:23 – 00:35:23:00
Serena
But her ripple effect is on me. And so she’s now helping me heal and then me trying to kind.

00:35:23:00 – 00:35:24:10
Serena
Of help her and help.

00:35:24:23 – 00:35:25:11
Serena
Her.

00:35:25:23 – 00:35:26:10
Serena
Broaden.

00:35:26:10 – 00:35:30:24
Serena
Your horizons. And so it’s just been interesting how really it does connect to so much.

00:35:30:24 – 00:35:32:21
Serena
And then and it really.

00:35:32:21 – 00:35:34:03
Serena
Does have this ripple effect.

00:35:34:03 – 00:35:35:03
Serena
And I know.

00:35:35:09 – 00:35:37:02
Serena
That if I can change just me.

00:35:37:14 – 00:35:39:12
Serena
I change my daughter and how.

00:35:39:17 – 00:35:41:05
Serena
Maybe who she chooses to marry.

00:35:41:13 – 00:35:42:03
Serena
How she.

00:35:42:03 – 00:35:43:02
Serena
Chooses to.

00:35:43:23 – 00:35:48:17
Serena
Have different habits. And so my brand new little baby, like I can already see.

00:35:48:17 – 00:35:49:16
Serena
Such a difference in.

00:35:49:16 – 00:35:51:17
Serena
Whenever I had a little one that was a little.

00:35:51:17 – 00:35:52:01
Serena
Girl.

00:35:52:11 – 00:35:53:05
Serena
And 12.

00:35:53:05 – 00:35:55:04
Serena
Years later, I see such a difference in.

00:35:55:11 – 00:35:58:01
Serena
How my parenting style and I’m like, What the.

00:35:58:01 – 00:36:01:21
Serena
Heck is so different? I love my daughter just as much as I love my son.

00:36:01:21 – 00:36:03:00
Serena
But what is so different?

00:36:03:09 – 00:36:03:21
Serena
Well.

00:36:04:06 – 00:36:05:03
Serena
Life has kind of.

00:36:05:03 – 00:36:06:05
Serena
Shook us a little bit.

00:36:06:05 – 00:36:06:24
Serena
You know, like.

00:36:07:13 – 00:36:09:15
Serena
You wait 12 years, you don’t.

00:36:09:15 – 00:36:18:02
Serena
Think you’re going to have a baby and you wanted that with your whole heart, and then you have it. Things are different. The second time around and.

00:36:18:13 – 00:36:18:19
Serena
Your.

00:36:18:19 – 00:36:20:13
Serena
Family, like you look back.

00:36:20:13 – 00:36:21:24
Serena
You see things that you.

00:36:21:24 – 00:36:28:10
Serena
Had to go through. Your parents did the best that they could with what’s the knowledge they had, but you don’t want.

00:36:28:10 – 00:36:29:06
Serena
To repeat that.

00:36:29:15 – 00:36:30:09
Serena
And so just.

00:36:30:09 – 00:36:31:11
Serena
By me changing.

00:36:31:15 – 00:36:34:02
Serena
How I am and healing myself.

00:36:34:16 – 00:36:35:15
Serena
I am changing.

00:36:35:15 – 00:36:36:00
Serena
A whole.

00:36:36:00 – 00:36:38:10
Serena
Generation. And just my kids are a new generation.

00:36:38:18 – 00:36:39:17
Serena
My husband and who.

00:36:39:17 – 00:36:46:04
Serena
He’s around, he influences all these people because he changes. So it’s just amazing how just our individual.

00:36:46:04 – 00:36:55:03
Serena
Decisions, how much we have to offer the world, you know, and then by being healed, like, what are your passions? So do you now reach.

00:36:55:03 – 00:36:56:10
Serena
Out to in the community.

00:36:56:10 – 00:36:59:24
Serena
What energy do you have to share with others or what.

00:37:00:05 – 00:37:01:00
Serena
Gifts do you have.

00:37:01:00 – 00:37:04:05
Serena
To share with others that maybe you didn’t have.

00:37:04:05 – 00:37:05:15
Serena
Before because you were so sick?

00:37:05:22 – 00:37:09:12
Serena
Like that’s kind of what I’ve seen for myself as I’ve healed.

00:37:09:12 – 00:37:12:03
Serena
I’ve been able to do things in the community.

00:37:13:02 – 00:37:24:06
Serena
And get to know different people and share my passions with other people. And all of a sudden I’m like, I would have never been able to do that two years ago. Now that I’ve changed and that I have done this.

00:37:24:15 – 00:37:28:16
Serena
It’s amazing. Like the people that you know in the community and the things that you get to do.

00:37:28:23 – 00:37:31:16
Serena
And you’re just by one person’s.

00:37:31:16 – 00:37:33:22
Serena
Decisions, you’re making all this change.

00:37:34:19 – 00:37:37:08
Serena
So it’s just it’s really powerful.

00:37:37:20 – 00:37:51:12
Serena
And, you know, even though like I sit on it, like just speaking about it and sharing with you and, and seeing it in this light, it’s kind of just powerful all over again, you know, like, that’s huge. Know.

00:37:51:12 – 00:38:19:10
Cameron
Yeah, I love that. It’s amazing. The world that we live in right now is, is so far from from healing and and accepting that that healing in our lives. But I love what you’ve pointed out there, that as we accept the gift of being healed, because, I mean, it takes work. It’s not just an acceptance, like, okay, it’s it’s a present that I unwrap now, but that it actually takes work.

00:38:19:10 – 00:38:44:02
Cameron
And once we do make that conscious choice to accept it, then that ripple effect can start healing others and and helping us build Zion in lots of different ways within our own families, within our communities, etc.. And that that’s how we do heal the world. That’s how we one small part of of building the Zion that is necessary for for Christ to come again.

00:38:45:06 – 00:39:05:03
Cameron
It’s just hit me in a new light as you were testifying there of of this gift and and how it helps others as well. But yeah. Any final thoughts or anything that comes to mind with this gift or spiritual gifts? General, before we head out.

00:39:05:03 – 00:39:06:00
Serena
I just want to thank you.

00:39:06:00 – 00:39:09:01
Serena
For like opening my eyes to actually.

00:39:09:01 – 00:39:09:13
Serena
Seeing that.

00:39:09:13 – 00:39:21:07
Serena
This is like, this is a gift. And, I mean, I looked at it as a gift of of regaining my life, but I didn’t really look at it as the actually being like a spiritual gift.

00:39:21:19 – 00:39:22:11
Serena
Because when.

00:39:22:11 – 00:39:23:24
Serena
You’re at that rock bottom or.

00:39:23:24 – 00:39:25:15
Serena
When you just have continually.

00:39:25:15 – 00:39:26:08
Serena
Had that.

00:39:26:18 – 00:39:29:00
Serena
You know, you’re searching for something, but you don’t.

00:39:29:00 – 00:39:46:20
Serena
Really know what it is. And I don’t know, like as I’ve learned and I’m growing in my knowledge of just life in general and spirituality and, and the power that we each have, like we’re so powerful. Heavenly Father gave us that here.

00:39:46:20 – 00:39:47:11
Serena
And I think.

00:39:47:11 – 00:39:51:10
Serena
That it’s one of the things that I struggle with, but like.

00:39:51:17 – 00:39:53:01
Serena
Knowing our self-worth.

00:39:53:03 – 00:39:57:12
Serena
And knowing like Heavenly Father doesn’t want us to be stuck at rock bottom.

00:39:57:21 – 00:39:58:24
Serena
And he doesn’t want.

00:39:58:24 – 00:40:04:14
Serena
Us to go throughout life like not having this joy and that comes in a lot of different.

00:40:04:14 – 00:40:06:00
Serena
Ways. You know, like for me.

00:40:07:04 – 00:40:08:00
Serena
It was.

00:40:08:10 – 00:40:10:06
Serena
Learning to forgive.

00:40:10:19 – 00:40:21:00
Serena
And still I’m still working on it really. But learning to forgive people’s actions when they’re really not sorry. You know, it’s it’s not just like.

00:40:21:09 – 00:40:23:04
Serena
For me, it’s not just like a healing.

00:40:23:04 – 00:40:34:03
Serena
Health wise, you know, like a lot of that is health wise. But I had so much trauma in my childhood that really I think that that breaks down your body and there’s all this literature and all these.

00:40:34:03 – 00:40:34:18
Serena
Studies that.

00:40:34:18 – 00:40:38:14
Serena
Show that our body holds on to all of this. And when.

00:40:38:16 – 00:40:40:19
Serena
Sometimes when we feel like we’ve forgiven and we’ve.

00:40:40:19 – 00:40:44:04
Serena
Moved on, we really haven’t. We just tucked it away. But our body.

00:40:44:04 – 00:40:44:23
Serena
Doesn’t forget.

00:40:44:23 – 00:40:54:06
Serena
That. And so I think it’s super important, like, to kind of open up your horizons and understand that a healing journey.

00:40:54:06 – 00:40:55:22
Serena
Looks different for each person.

00:40:56:08 – 00:41:11:01
Serena
But if we’re willing to accept that gift, just how powerful it is. And again, it’s not like like I’m healing myself and working on myself, but truly, how much more impact can.

00:41:11:01 – 00:41:13:23
Serena
I have or how much impact am I going to have and how much is my.

00:41:13:23 – 00:41:15:02
Serena
Story going to have on.

00:41:15:02 – 00:41:18:11
Serena
Other people just because I’m working on this?

00:41:18:20 – 00:41:19:12
Serena
And so.

00:41:19:17 – 00:41:20:23
Serena
Like a spiritual gift isn’t.

00:41:20:23 – 00:41:22:23
Serena
Just for ourselves, it’s like for others.

00:41:23:04 – 00:41:26:17
Serena
And we don’t have to like go around like campaigning that.

00:41:27:03 – 00:41:32:02
Serena
It just happens naturally. Like, I like to remember that just by being us, Heavenly.

00:41:32:02 – 00:41:34:03
Serena
Father gave us this work that just by being.

00:41:34:03 – 00:41:39:16
Serena
Us and not really going out and doing much, it’s not really like going out.

00:41:39:16 – 00:41:41:16
Serena
And changing the world like we’re changing.

00:41:41:16 – 00:41:54:08
Serena
The world in such a magnitude and the scale of the whole world, right? It’s so small, but yeah, it’s so big because really our decisions and how we live our life and how we’re.

00:41:54:08 – 00:41:56:12
Serena
Just us, like truly, you’re just.

00:41:56:12 – 00:41:57:12
Serena
Yourself and you’re.

00:41:57:12 – 00:41:58:13
Serena
Just living your genuine.

00:41:58:13 – 00:42:02:23
Serena
Life. How much of an effect it has on other people? And that’s been that’s been.

00:42:02:24 – 00:42:04:02
Serena
Huge to really kind.

00:42:04:02 – 00:42:07:08
Serena
Of like set in that and realize that that’s how much.

00:42:07:08 – 00:42:09:18
Serena
Work we have. Like it’s hard sometimes.

00:42:09:18 – 00:42:21:24
Serena
It’s like out there, you know, it’s like way out there. Like we don’t even know how to accept that, but it’s, it’s huge once we come into that and we’re like, okay, heavenly Father, us this value and it’s not.

00:42:21:24 – 00:42:24:18
Serena
Something you have to do. Like Christ already.

00:42:25:10 – 00:42:26:11
Serena
Already atoned for all.

00:42:26:11 – 00:42:32:07
Serena
Of our weaknesses and everything. Like we don’t have to do anything to prove our worst or worth is there.

00:42:32:16 – 00:42:40:11
Serena
And so that’s that’s part of of that that journey. It really is just learning that and then being able to sit in it and be.

00:42:40:11 – 00:42:40:22
Serena
Still.

00:42:41:06 – 00:42:43:08
Serena
And be able to understand, because that is.

00:42:43:08 – 00:42:46:05
Serena
When Heavenly Father speaks to us and that’s when we hear.

00:42:46:05 – 00:43:00:11
Serena
Christ, and that’s when we realize just how just how amazing all of this is, you know, and that we really can have this pure joy and how amazing like life is when I guess whenever you really deal with some.

00:43:00:18 – 00:43:01:13
Serena
Really hard.

00:43:01:13 – 00:43:02:05
Serena
Core health.

00:43:02:05 – 00:43:04:14
Serena
Problems and you.

00:43:04:14 – 00:43:07:02
Serena
Realize just how precious life is, but how.

00:43:07:02 – 00:43:08:13
Serena
Amazing it can be, it doesn’t.

00:43:08:13 – 00:43:19:19
Serena
Have to be this like whatever, just going down the road, whatever, you know, just just boring life. It doesn’t have to be like that. You really can understand the power of of what were.

00:43:19:19 – 00:43:20:16
Serena
You meant to do here?

00:43:21:05 – 00:43:47:19
Cameron
And I love that. Yeah. Just kind of tying right back into your original thinking men are that they might have joy and and it’s totally within our reach and possible and it’s amazing how the spiritual gifts lead us and and train us in that. So, yeah, thank you so much for a wonderful conversation. I hope to keep in touch and but so many great insights.

00:43:47:19 – 00:44:29:24
Cameron
So for those listening, we are just having chats about spiritual gifts and and the ways that we are learning them territory for Christ. Second coming, I think it’s just there’s just this huge enlightenment. It feels like rippling out over God’s children to to develop their spiritual gifts, to awaken to them and the urgency behind them. So if you’ve enjoyed this, this podcast and want to participate or know someone else, who, who might as well send in my information and I’d love to have a conversation.

00:44:31:00 – 00:44:34:14
Cameron
And as always, thanks for for listening. We’ll we’ll catch on the next one.

00:44:35:13 – 00:44:36:03
Serena
Thank you.

00:00:00:21 – 00:00:40:04
Cameron
Hi Al. Welcome to another episode of AH, another chat where we’re talking about spiritual gifts. Super excited to have Jean on with us this evening and just I never know how these things should go. It’s always interesting having conversations with people that are experiencing gifts and just various different ways. And so I hope that that is what sparks the creativity and the the process for for all of us listening that we can learn and grow from each other’s experiences and and learn different nuances or different insights into how gifts work in general.

00:00:40:18 – 00:01:05:07
Cameron
Tonight, my brain’s going a million different directions with all the different gifts. And so this one doesn’t necessarily have any specific one tie to it, but we’re just going to have a general conversation on ability to receive and experiment and utilize our our spiritual gifts. So, yeah, thank you, Jean, for for coming on and and being willing to kind of put yourself out there.

00:01:05:07 – 00:01:28:16
Cameron
It’s an interesting process, isn’t it? Learning spiritual gifts, talking with other people. It kind of seems taboo sometimes. I don’t know what it is about our our culture, but we often tend to to guard our spiritual gifts pretty heavily. Have you found that to be your experience as you’re learning and growing through that, that process there?

00:01:30:06 – 00:01:48:17
Jean
Yeah, yeah. I felt that. Yeah. It’s just interesting, I think, because we just don’t know, you know? So I feel like I’m not an expert, but I’ll have thoughts about things or, you know, but it’s not like I know and it’s not like somebody has defined it so that I can go discuss that with other people, you know?

00:01:48:18 – 00:02:10:05
Jean
So if they’re not like minded or we already have something going, then yeah, I’m reluctant to say something because lots of times they’re like, Well, I think this is how it works, you know? Or This might be how it works and you know, yeah, so do go off, go out on a limb and tell someone that then it’s kind of like, well, I don’t know, maybe bless.

00:02:10:05 – 00:02:21:24
Jean
I think our gifts are they can be similar but so different. So we might be doing similar things. But the way I do it and someone else does it are so different that they’re, you know, you don’t notice how the same they are.

00:02:22:11 – 00:02:51:22
Cameron
Mm hmm. Exactly. Yeah, I felt that a lot. And specifically in in dreams. Right. Because dreams are so individualized and catered to the individual that the way that I am experiencing them and interpreting them is way different than anyone else. And so I can be with very good friends and hearing and growing, but they may have a different interpretation than I do.

00:02:51:22 – 00:03:11:05
Cameron
And, and that’s totally fine. But I found with sharing a couple different times that some people are very willing to to shut you down and be like, Oh, that’s not how it happens. This is how it happens. This is how you interpret kind of a thing. And I’m like, I don’t experience that the same way you do, but, you know, that’s totally fine.

00:03:12:00 – 00:03:36:13
Cameron
But yeah, just with gifts in general that even though we might not mean to, sometimes we are a little unkind or rush to apply our gift to theirs in in different ways. Right. And so I think that there’s a little bit of that fear or trepidation to actually share quite openly our gifts with others. And so, yeah, it’s an interesting process.

00:03:37:17 – 00:04:08:23
Cameron
But like you said earlier, when we were talking, like President Nelson said, there’s no manual for these things, right? So it’s all about us having individual connections with with God and learning how all these things work. So have you. I don’t know how to quite word this, but like so we receive our patriarchal blessings, right? And we we get a few of our gifts enumerated oftentimes in those blessings.

00:04:09:06 – 00:04:27:00
Cameron
Have you found that the gifts you were born with are the ones that were promised to you in your patriarchal blessing? Or are those things that you have needed to to learn and grow with as you after you’ve received that? If that’s not too personal of a question, yeah.

00:04:27:16 – 00:05:13:03
Jean
I think I think it definitely for me it was in my nature to already have that gift of discernment is the main one I’m talking about. But, but I can see now how my life and experiences were brought up to strengthen that. A big part of my path was the word of wisdom and figuring out what it meant for me and it like that was kind of one of the first kind of awakening things that I had worked on and it was so it was so interesting to me because there was just this deep need all of a sudden to really know what the word wisdom is and how that affects my family.

00:05:13:03 – 00:05:45:17
Jean
And was it what did I need to change? And so I ended up changing our family’s diet quite a bit away from the, you know, just the standard. What I grew up on your standard American diet, you know. But now looking back on that, I can see that I was learning discernment through that and learning to strengthen where I could find true information and false information and I could test it with my body, you know, does this feel good in my body?

00:05:45:17 – 00:06:17:05
Jean
And so it was a really cool learning experience for me through the through food and through taking care of my body. And then on top of that, I think a key component was the promises of the word of wisdom that my follow the word of wisdom, your promised wisdom and knowledge. And so I think I come by a lot of my things that I’ve the knowledge that I’ve gained because my obedience to the word of wisdom.

00:06:18:00 – 00:06:42:15
Cameron
Yeah, I love that with a few of the, the other gifts that we’ve kind of talked about thrown out there kind of a thing, the one of making connections, I feel a real connection with it. I feel that that was just kind of born in me and I, I don’t necessarily know how it’s it’s grown or I’ve developed it, but I have felt it increasing over my life.

00:06:42:17 – 00:07:05:09
Cameron
So how would you say that that gift works for you? Like what are its nuances? How does it work? I’m going to try to brainstorm ways that it works for me too. But but yeah, with with making connections and then that wisdom, that knowledge that you were talking about, even the ability to ponder, because I feel like they’re all very companion, like gifts as you’re navigating all of it.

00:07:05:09 – 00:07:12:12
Cameron
So how what’s its nuances? Take us through a day in the life of Gina.

00:07:12:12 – 00:07:31:12
Jean
Oh, well, I mean, so it I’ll start with questions. I think a lot like I just have questions going through my mind, you know, kind of just pray in my heart all the time, you know, or I’ll have thoughts come in and it’s like, okay, tell me what, what did that mean? Was that real? Was does that connect to this?

00:07:31:12 – 00:07:52:05
Jean
You know, and so I just kind of have stuff flowing all the time. And then it feels to me like I’m gathering puzzle pieces, you know, and I might have like eight different puzzles going. And I’ll think, you know, this piece could apply to all these different puzzles or questions I’m trying to understand. And so that, but that making connections then just feels like it.

00:07:52:05 – 00:08:20:00
Jean
Just something will click and I’ll stick a couple of puzzle pieces together and then just keep going and gathering more and just through different for just to remind like, you know, might be inspiration, thoughts, the stuff I read, people I talk to, you know, all the different ways you just gather those little true search possibilities even, you know, and then they’re just all sitting up there floating.

00:08:20:00 – 00:08:32:11
Jean
And then I’m sure in between there, the spirit is like moving all those little puzzle pieces closer so that I then my little brain can say, Oh, look, they’re right next to each other. They go together, you know, or he did the grand work of it.

00:08:33:01 – 00:08:59:00
Cameron
But yeah, he still likes us to, to make the discoveries and things, even though he’s, he’s really orchestrated them pretty neatly for us. All of them. Yeah. Yeah. So like one of the gifts that you mentioned in there, the gift of asking questions. So that one, I do feel like I was born with or sorry the ability to make connections I was born with, but not the gift of asking questions.

00:08:59:10 – 00:09:24:18
Cameron
And so that one was an interesting one for me to develop through the years. But the catalyst for it was a series of books by James Faulkner and it’s called like The Doctrine Covenants Made Harder or the Book of Mormon Made Harder and as because I just love studying and all that kind of stuff. And I was kind of growing tired of all of the made easier for dummies type of things.

00:09:24:18 – 00:09:44:15
Cameron
And so the titles really caught my eye. But as I was going through them, there’s no answers. It’s just a book of questions. And so he goes verse by verse with different questions that can be had. Consider this. What does that mean? Why did they throw that color in there of all things? Or what does that provoke you to think and ponder?

00:09:44:15 – 00:10:07:23
Cameron
Is there any other connections that can be made from it? And so as I plowed my way through his series through through all of our canons, I finally was able to develop that gift, the gift of asking questions, because I don’t think I was ever gifted with that. I was just, I don’t know, kind of a gift of accepting the testimony of others or whatever.

00:10:07:23 – 00:10:34:07
Cameron
You know, I never I never questioned much until that point. And that was a marked difference in my discipleship and my ability for gifts, because, like you said, once I develop that, now there’s just questions always hanging and there’s always these puzzle pieces to be fitting together and stuff. And so I find that very interesting because some people are just naturally born asking why, you know, like a toddler, why, why, why?

00:10:34:14 – 00:10:51:24
Cameron
And that’s just a gift that you have for your whole life. But with mine, that was a hard fought one, but it really helped blossom all of the other gifts because questions are like crucial for for anything ask and you shall receive, right?

00:10:52:03 – 00:10:54:15
Jean
Yeah. That sounds like an awesome book to write.

00:10:55:09 – 00:10:56:06
Cameron
I know, right? Yeah.

00:10:56:06 – 00:10:57:10
Jean
So throughout the questions.

00:10:58:15 – 00:11:24:20
Cameron
So another one that we were talking about ahead of time, which is quite interesting, is the the gift or the ability to weep. So, I mean, we hear about that one from Marvin Johnston’s conference talk where he brought up some some less conspicuous gifts that we we rarely talk about. But it’s just kind of interesting because that one’s probably more taboo than anything else.

00:11:24:20 – 00:11:52:15
Cameron
Nobody knows or is necessarily been willing to share, I guess, of what that gift look like or how it how it feels and and everything. So let’s let’s just talk about that because I think we both have interesting kind of stories on the ability to weep, like how does that manifest itself to you? And when did you realize that that might actually be a gift rather than just, I don’t know, my body’s doing something weird.

00:11:54:01 – 00:12:18:10
Jean
Well, for me, it was looking at your list of gifts. Oh, yeah? Yeah. I hadn’t put words to that before. And then when I saw it, I thought, Oh, maybe that’s what that is. Maybe it’s a gift. So for me, it’s just just developed over the years. But if I am, you know, pondering, looking at it so it seems like it’s stronger generational.

00:12:18:11 – 00:12:44:07
Jean
Like if I’m finding false beliefs or fears or whatever, you know, that usually they’re, you know, connected to me, connected to my ancestors, whatever different experiences. If I get to something, if it’s whether it’s in me or, you know, sometimes I’ll feel like I have somebody, you know, come to me and, you know, dreamer thoughts or whatever that need some help.

00:12:46:01 – 00:13:11:08
Cameron
One thing that that led me to kind of start talking with people is that, I don’t know, do you feel this, that there is like a sense of urgency to develop spiritual gifts to help other people awaken to the fact that that God is expecting us to to develop them and grow in them. I don’t know if it’s just me, but I found that a few people that I’ve talked to have really felt a sense of urgency about it.

00:13:12:00 – 00:13:13:17
Cameron
Do you feel that in anyway?

00:13:14:19 – 00:13:36:00
Jean
Yeah, many years and several years ago, like just just started developing to meet like this, that urgent feeling that like, I need to know something before things go sideways, like they’re starting to another, like even starting to go sideways and, and usually, you know, I want a lot more clarity than that, you know, like, but it just felt like I need to know something.

00:13:36:00 – 00:14:05:16
Jean
And it’s just it has driven me to, like, okay, teach me wherever you want me to go. You know, because that it does feel like just an urgency to know something is that’s what that’s what’s driven me to all kinds of things, you know, and just looking for truth, looking for knowledge. But the thing that has been cool in that path, I feel like, is that I feel like I’ve found, you know, I guess it’s just another word for it.

00:14:05:22 – 00:14:22:08
Jean
It feels like it’s a gift of seeking for me. You know, it’s probably the same as what we were talking about earlier with making connections and asking questions. But but and it’s been a gift, too, to have to be able to discern, because I feel like I’ve just learned that how much I love to teach all of us, you know?

00:14:22:09 – 00:14:43:17
Jean
And he loves I think he loves it. But I’ll go wherever into, you know, whatever. It might look weird before I went there, you know. But he’s also giving me such a gift to to discern, you know, so that I can go somewhere, I can pull out the truth and leave. Whatever I did, you know, didn’t resonate, didn’t feel right, and not get bogged down into that.

00:14:44:09 – 00:15:04:10
Cameron
Hmm. Yeah, I love that because, you know, with all the spiritual gifts, I think that adversary is right there ready to. To lay a deception right. And so that discernment, I think, is key with all of the other gifts. When people ask me, you know, like, I don’t know, where do I even start? Start with the gift of discernment.

00:15:04:10 – 00:15:32:21
Cameron
Like, you have to have that one before you can start diving into any of them, or else you’re at risk of being deceived with whatever counterfeit Satan might throw at you. But yeah, I love the way that you’ve experienced that because I feel very twin. Like with that, I don’t know if that’s with everyone. Time will tell as we have all these conversations with people, but I feel like that’s exactly how I would describe it to you.

00:15:32:21 – 00:15:35:03
Cameron
It’s just it’s just interesting, isn’t it?

00:15:35:04 – 00:15:36:14
Jean
Is it? It’s interesting.

00:15:36:16 – 00:15:56:12
Cameron
Have you happened to read or listen to the book is called The Way to Aloha where this Hawaiian man has a Dream, where Peter is taking him to a spiritual warehouse where there’s lots of gifts and the gifts have different prices on them, etc..

00:15:57:02 – 00:15:58:23
Jean
I know what you’re talking about. I haven’t read that book.

00:16:00:18 – 00:16:26:15
Cameron
Yeah, I haven’t read the book either, but there was an article like on LDS Living or something like that where where that story was was floating around. Do you feel like like the gifts that you are growing and experience minting with now each have a so-called price tag on them and that you are discovering what price or sacrifice needs to be made for them.

00:16:27:00 – 00:16:29:10
Cameron
Do you find that dream resonating with you?

00:16:30:22 – 00:16:56:04
Jean
I yeah, I think part of it I just it makes me frustrated also because I want to know how with the recipe for all of them. And of course, he’s not telling me that, but but yeah, there are some there are some things that that I have, you know, made a connection with. Yeah. Just and just even just in the last couple of years ago had this really cool experience with Spirit teaching me.

00:16:56:13 – 00:17:17:14
Jean
And I was going back trying to think, okay, well, I just grew up building on that. And I actually went back to and I had this the thought come to go back and look at my journals, you know. So it’s cool to to put a connection to what that was. But I feel like that’s that’s not usually my case.

00:17:17:14 – 00:17:25:06
Jean
Usually it’s like, oh, this big thing just showed up in my path, you know? Yeah, I don’t know what I did something, you know.

00:17:25:21 – 00:17:45:24
Cameron
Yeah. And I love how all of our gifts are very different in and how they are delivered or earned or received or whatever that right. It’s not just a same old delivery that we can expect very different approaches to each one of them.

00:17:46:13 – 00:18:02:22
Jean
Yeah. And that’s why I think for me, like looking back at my, you know, when I was trying to think like how have I developed my, you know, you were talking about you sent some questions to think about, you know, like I how did I develop these gifts or what would I even tell you? And I think I don’t I don’t know.

00:18:02:22 – 00:18:28:14
Jean
I don’t know the recipe. I don’t I still don’t even know what that manual is saying. I just do the one step that the Holy Ghost tells me, you know, and it’s just that path. I just seek Jesus. And there’s all these little Easter eggs in the path, you know, that didn’t show up. So I think I think that’s what because I feel like if I have to contain in my head all the recipes for whatever or what to do, that feels overwhelming, you know?

00:18:28:14 – 00:18:32:00
Jean
And he doesn’t ever work overwhelming. He just tells you the next step.

00:18:32:12 – 00:18:32:20
Cameron
Mm hmm.

00:18:33:09 – 00:18:34:11
Jean
So I love that.

00:18:35:07 – 00:19:12:04
Cameron
I find that I learn about gifts in my interactions with people. And it’s not that we’re talking about spiritual gifts, but, you know, sometimes that happens in the temple. Sometimes I’m just reading scripture and going, oh, oh, they had that spiritual gift. And, you know, it doesn’t say it straight out, but that’s what they’re doing and stuff. So I find that he’s helping me, helping us put us in the right place at the right time in order to to receive the right connections that the right puzzle pieces at any given time.

00:19:12:14 – 00:19:13:20
Cameron
So I don’t know. Yeah.

00:19:15:07 – 00:19:35:12
Jean
Yeah, yeah. I think yeah. Less times there conversations with people or yeah. Just little things that I mean like even you have those, your awesome list of gifts on the website, you know, but even just when you see them, you know, like I didn’t know what the gift of weeping was, you know, till I saw it on there and thought, Oh, maybe that’s what that is, you know?

00:19:36:09 – 00:19:57:15
Jean
Or I think. But I think a lot of times sometimes for me it’ll be like I’m talking to someone or some situation because I just, I mean, I just think of normal, you know? So, I mean, I think we all think we’re just normal. This is how things are. And all here, somebody else is struggling with something. And then it’s like, Oh, I didn’t I didn’t know that was hard, you know?

00:19:57:20 – 00:20:28:23
Jean
And not to sound, you know, conceited or anything in that, but just sometimes, you know, I’m sure I say I’m struggling with stuff that people think the same thing. Yeah, but like one for me is kind of boundaries, boundaries with other people, boundaries with information. They’re just already kind of set for me, where then I find other people are a lot more wishy washy with it or, or struggle with that.

00:20:28:23 – 00:21:00:13
Jean
You know, people get in their space or, or whatever, all those things with that. But I that’s just something that I don’t know, it just happens. I don’t I’ll I’ll steer away. I’ll walk around that person, right. Well, you know, like I won’t even consider I won’t even know until I’ve done it, you know, so, so sometimes I feel like just like stuff like that will show up in like, oh, I know how to, you know, there’ll be somebody talking about finding stuff and I’m like, Oh, I already, I know how I find answers, you know?

00:21:02:16 – 00:21:13:21
Jean
So I feel like that’s, that’s sometimes how I notice that. Oh, yes. Given me like this gift in that that that’s not just the default setting, maybe.

00:21:13:21 – 00:21:27:09
Cameron
I mean, it sounds kind of interesting, right? But like sometimes you learn about your gifts when you’re seeing other people struggle with something that you find just innate, like, oh, I didn’t know that, but apparently that’s a gift and I’m grateful I have it now.

00:21:28:10 – 00:21:39:00
Jean
Yeah. Yeah, I think because for some of those things like that, for me, they’re just they were always there. I mean, maybe like people that see that, that are like, oh, I didn’t know everybody didn’t see that, you know.

00:21:39:07 – 00:21:39:16
Cameron
Mm hmm.

00:21:40:18 – 00:22:08:19
Jean
That that’s sometimes how I found things or sometimes just in that look, you know, I don’t know. I guess the way that I usually notice a gift is when it’s a when it’s given or when it’s new. You know, those things that are the slow the slow, rising ones. I don’t notice until, you know, somebody is in my face talking about their thing, you know, and that’s like, oh, I guess that did show up for me, you know.

00:22:09:04 – 00:22:39:09
Cameron
Mm yeah. I love them. So hopefully not taking too much of a tangent and going off. But something that you said reminded me of our previous conversation on like numerology, right? And that, that whole can of worms right there. So can you walk us through just kind of a brief overview because I’ve tried to I mentioned numerology to people and they’re like, what?

00:22:39:09 – 00:23:06:00
Cameron
Even is that? But like what, how it’s different from, say, astrology and what benefit might we have by looking into numerology for our own individual lives and does that play into two spiritual gifts and in personal discovery in any way? Have you found.

00:23:06:00 – 00:23:52:07
Jean
Um, yeah. So I just have started studying numerology a year or two, so I’m fairly new to it and it was never anything that was in my I didn’t know what it was. I didn’t, I would have said probably said nope, that sounds wrong or off, you know now. But I have had connections to numbers. I mean, so many of us, I think have and so someone I trust started talking about told me about yogic numerology is actually what I’ve studied and, and so because I trusted her, then I thought, okay, and the thought of it kept coming back to my mind.

00:23:52:07 – 00:24:26:04
Jean
So I was like, okay, let me, you know. So I looked into a little bit and I the thing that I found with come to with it is that if Heavenly Father, who loves us, sends us to Earth with a veil, where we are going to forget him and forget who we were, then I think he’s going to put patterns upon patterns and levels and symbols and prophets and scriptures and so many things where we could find him, you know, and find who we are.

00:24:27:06 – 00:24:54:19
Jean
So I think numerology is just one of those. It’s just it’s the numbers. So how yogic numerology. I really like yogic numerology and sound it’s it’s actually I don’t think there’s any books it’s taught just orally just passed down early and it’s it’s connected with kundalini yoga. So if anyone is aware of that, it’s kind of similar teachings.

00:24:55:22 – 00:25:29:13
Jean
And what I like about both of those is that they are they’ve not really been cultural ized. They’re still kind of their pure Eastern teaching has so much truth in it. So yeah, so numerology is it’s just different calculations based on your birthday and then has lots of so all the different numbers show up and it can kind of just give you themes about who you are, who you were, and what you learned in the prior slides, or maybe what gifts you came with.

00:25:29:13 – 00:26:03:21
Jean
What you want to learn here, those kinds of things, which was really just it opened me up so much in giving me kind of a context for the Holy Ghost to talk to me, because I feel like for me and for me, I feel like it at church in our religion that there was a lot of and I love the church, so I’m not saying it’s just that, but there are some cultural things that sometimes we get sideways with.

00:26:04:01 – 00:26:33:09
Jean
And so I felt for me that it was like, okay, the teaching is we all go to the temple, we’re on the covenant path and we’re all doing the covenant to, you know, and so, but then I would really say to be like that must have been if that was way different than her government bath or like. And so it was hard for me to understand maybe what I was doing on that path or what my, why I, I struggled so much with something and it was so easy for other people or, you know, those kinds of things.

00:26:33:09 – 00:27:01:02
Jean
So it just, it opened up a context, I guess, for the Holy Ghost to say, oh, look, you you came to learn patience and she’s learning relationships. So of course it’s going to be different. So, you know, not that we should we should never compare, but it just gave it gave a context for me to for the Holy Ghost to talk to me and say, oh, look, you this is, you know, something, you came to learn.

00:27:01:02 – 00:27:31:09
Jean
Let me tell you about patience. Or maybe before I’d be like, patience. No, thanks. You know, as a hard one. So, yeah, that’s what I have come to really love numerology. I feel like it just gives, it can give a basis, a like an understanding, just a pattern. Maybe that then you take everything to the Holy Ghost and confirm or ask for more guidance and it but.

00:27:31:18 – 00:28:07:23
Cameron
Mm hmm. Yeah, I find that with, with all gifts, but especially with, with things like this, um, that, that God is always very willing to, to help us learn them and, and give us confirming witnesses or signs or whatever have you or whatever you want to call it anyway. But like it was probably about a year ago that I was introduced to some astrologists and things and I was like, okay, I had my, my natal chart read and I was like, Hmm, okay.

00:28:07:23 – 00:28:31:15
Cameron
I mean, there’s, there’s quite a few things that I’m like a spot on totally. And then some things that I’m like, that doesn’t resonate at all. And so take them to the spirit, ask and pray for answers, dreams, etc. But I tell you what, when we did our numerology, it’s like, Oh my word, this is like so much more accurate and more precise and stuff.

00:28:31:21 – 00:28:55:06
Cameron
And I think a lot has to do with what you said, where it hasn’t been Westernized or went through that whole rigamarole that we’ve taken everything because every astrologer comes at it a different way, you know, depending on where they they learned it and stuff. But, but some of that, that numerology has been, I don’t know, it’s in more of a kind of a pure sense still and stuff.

00:28:55:21 – 00:29:28:23
Cameron
Hopefully it doesn’t lose that over time. But anyway, I really connected with that. And so how has that helped you discover your own gifts? I mean, you’ve talked on that a little bit, but just develop your own spiritual gifts and help see others. How God sees them, if that makes sense. Like how has that that numerology or that base understanding there really helped amplify that?

00:29:28:23 – 00:30:01:06
Jean
Yeah, I, I love it. I think it gives me, I mean, I have five kids and so I feel like it informs my mothering in a lot of ways, you know, and a lot of things, you know, you just I just feel about your kids. But there are some things like with one of my kids, I there was like this whole component to him that I didn’t see because it’s so different than me, you know, lots of times I’ll just, you know, like love languages or whatever the whole idea is.

00:30:02:01 – 00:30:29:10
Jean
People are different than you, you know? And so there’s this whole component to him that I was not aware of and doing his numerology. Then I could once I saw it, I was like, Oh yea, that’s totally this huge strength that I was just overlooking in him or category categorizing differently for him. And so, you know, it’s just it’s huge.

00:30:29:22 – 00:30:50:16
Jean
You know, it was been huge for me to see that. But I mean, yeah, I think it’s it’s a similar idea. So if anybody is, you know, curious, it’s just kind of celestial like or like the love languages, you know, that somebody love language might be gifts and that is nothing. That doesn’t matter at all to me, you know.

00:30:51:03 – 00:31:23:09
Jean
But I can still that same idea of like, well, but he can. He loves things. So let’s, let’s not make him like me, you know, or tell him that that’s that. So I feel like that that’s been really it’s been nice to have that bigger framework that numerology has given me. And in my mothering and, you know, just even even relationships with family and friends and yeah.

00:31:23:11 – 00:31:31:06
Jean
Just give us a bigger framework then for the Holy Ghost to talk to me about myself than about them.

00:31:31:06 – 00:32:14:18
Cameron
Mm hmm. Yeah, yeah. I love that. So, I mean, open it up if you have anything else. But one of the questions that I really have been wanting to ask in all of the episodes, but I keep forgetting. But if you were counseling or helping somebody else with their spiritual gifts and they are apprehensive or nervous or just don’t aren’t really confident in their ability to learn spiritual gifts or learn how to hear him, how would you help counsel them to to be more confident?

00:32:14:23 – 00:32:28:08
Cameron
What can we do to help breed confidence among other Latter-Day Saints, Christians, children of God, in growing their spiritual gifts? How would you approach that?

00:32:28:08 – 00:32:51:24
Jean
MM Well, for me, just even just even saying, you know, I think sometimes there’s so much power in words and so much lack of power in words. You know, they’re the wrong one. Or they how they connect or the right one can have so much power. Or sometimes your best isn’t conveyed at all with the words you choose.

00:32:51:24 – 00:33:23:10
Jean
You know. But so for me, if I was teaching someone that I would probably just focus on, because sometimes I feel like for me to just the term spiritual gifts feels separate. I don’t know, it feels different than just if I’m just going to hear him because I feel like that feels more common, maybe more. We talk about it more, maybe it’s just the power in it.

00:33:23:18 – 00:33:54:08
Jean
But I think I think what I have found for me is that I hear him way more than I ever knew. I hear him because he does talk to us all the time, because he is our loving father. That does talk to us all the time. And so for me, I think it’s been helpful to me to find that place where I can regularly go, like President Nelson said, to to study, to ponder, to get quiet.

00:33:54:19 – 00:34:14:04
Jean
And then I just watch where my thoughts go. I think it’s one of the first ways that I started learning. Well, how he was talking to me is I went to when I was quiet, where did my thoughts go? Did it go to serve someone? Did it go to understand something better? Did it go to say, hey, go read this?

00:34:14:07 – 00:34:51:00
Jean
Or, you know, and then just acting on those that really the first thought often is a prompting is for me it is not me that is speaking the first day, you know. And so the more I follow that and the more I am willing to go where he wants me to go in my thoughts or in my actions, I feel like that’s been that’s a good starting point for me for hearing him, for just being willing to go and willing to entertain.

00:34:51:18 – 00:35:31:24
Jean
You know, a thought might come in and like, Ooh, I don’t know. Is that how it works? Let me ask let me try it out. Let me see if there’s any fruits from that, if I actually act on it, or even if I just let it, you know, plant that seed in my mind or ask that question and let it ruminate in there for a little bit, you know, then I can see what the fruits are and maybe there are lots of lots of more thoughts or but for me, that’s I feel like that’s the watching where my thoughts go and watching what comes in and without a story around it, you know, just.

00:35:32:05 – 00:35:39:05
Jean
Mm hmm. Let’s try that out. What? What is that? That has been really helpful for me to listen to know how to hear him.

00:35:40:01 – 00:36:10:05
Cameron
Mm hmm. I love that so much, because in our fast paced worlds, we have not grown in that, have we? We don’t watch where our thoughts go or even take time to have thoughts necessarily or purposeful time. There anyway. But yeah. So is there anything else that has come to you throughout our chat or whatever that you wanted to touch on or highlight or anything?

00:36:10:09 – 00:36:30:19
Cameron
If not, that’s totally fine. But just kind of giving a little opportunity here at the end to express any final things before we kind of close out our conversation. It’s been such a fun journey. I never know what any of the conversations are going to go. I mean, we’ve talked about a whole bunch of them, but it’s it’s been so enlightening.

00:36:30:19 – 00:36:53:10
Cameron
And, I don’t know, I feel like we just connect and we amplify our spiritual gifts talking about them and sharing them with others. Because if we are just like hoarding our our little treasures, you know, it profits nothing. They’re meant to be shared. They’re meant to build Zion. And I’ve just loved every minute of it.

00:36:53:10 – 00:37:15:12
Jean
Yeah, I think it’s great. And yeah, I feel like, yeah, we are the body of Christ, you know? So none of us are more important than anyone else or. Or any gifts. And all the gifts are important and needed and can interact. And so yeah, I think it is really cool to be able to talk about it because yeah, sometimes it is.

00:37:15:12 – 00:37:45:23
Jean
I mean the spiritual path for anyone is we have to work that path alone with this Holy Ghost, you know. So then when, when we can work off each other, then that makes it even better. You know, there’s so much more growth in that now. I just think I think I love that. I love that we can work it together and and really, we know we’re all as Christians, we’re on that same path to Jesus Christ, you know?

00:37:46:05 – 00:38:16:00
Jean
And so that for me has been the best part is that we’re all we are. You know, you you might dream dreams and I might cry a lot, whatever. But, you know, there’s all these different things. But we’re so we are the body of Christ. We’re all needed and we all are going to receive those gifts as we follow him, as we come closer to him, those those gifts are wrapped in the fabric of time for all of us, in all of our path.

00:38:16:00 – 00:38:24:02
Jean
They’re just on the way. We’ll get there and we’ll find those gifts and then we can share them.

00:38:24:02 – 00:38:36:03
Cameron
I love it. Man, that’s a great way to close out. Well, thank you so much for hopping on here and being willing to discuss and everything. I’m sure we’ll have a few people asking about numerology, so.